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    Hello all

    I have noticed that the square my father gave me way back when (it must be at least 50 years old) is no longer actually square.

    So I am looking for something cheap and accurate (yeah I know), something like this, but doesn't cost $150 (which I think is way over the mark).
    200mm Precision Woodworking Square w/- case (851m)- Woodpecker woodworksupplies.com.au

    Looking for recommendations please.

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    I like this sort of thing below for good value . Just the loose square out of one of those sets do turn up all the time . Much cheaper when their missing the other bits . The other bits are pretty useful things though . Moore and Wright and Starrett are some other Vintage brands to hunt for as well . Rob

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    My go-to square is an ordinary (Blackwoods, I think) 6" engineers square.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post
    I like this sort of thing below for good value . Just the loose square out of one of those sets do turn up all the time . Much cheaper when their missing the other bits . The other bits are pretty useful things though . Moore and Wright and Starrett are some other Vintage brands to hunt for as well . Rob

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    I have a spare one of those PM if interested.
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    I like Colin Clenton squares, they just feel nice


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wongdai View Post
    Hello all

    I have noticed that the square my father gave me way back when (it must be at least 50 years old) is no longer actually square.

    So I am looking for something cheap and accurate (yeah I know), something like this, but doesn't cost $150 (which I think is way over the mark).
    200mm Precision Woodworking Square w/- case (851m)- Woodpecker woodworksupplies.com.au

    Looking for recommendations please.
    I would take it to a fitter and machinist aget them to mill it back to square and save $100

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    I would say get a 300mm Starrett combination square and then never look back but they're also around $160. They're totally worth it though and mine will probably outlast me.

    Timbecon sell iGaging combination squares for $60. They're excellent and you shouldn't have any issues with them being not square out of the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkahestic View Post
    I would say get a 300mm Starrett combination square and then never look back but they're also around $160. They're totally worth it though and mine will probably outlast me.

    Timbecon sell iGaging combination squares for $60. They're excellent and you shouldn't have any issues with them being not square out of the box.
    +1 for the igaging model. Picked one up recently and have been very happy.

    It has some weight to it but locks down nicely and is dead straight.

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    Thank you for the recommendations and offer.

    I will look into each of these and work out what is best for me.

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    This makes me think about squareness a lot.

    Engineering squares are super high precision. They also cost a lot. One must treat them very nicely.

    I've never needed anything like the level of tolerance that these provide. So far, I've not been commissioned to build some high efficiency nuclear reactor or such.

    Why not use the corner of MDF? Grab a sheet, cut off a triangle thats 50cm x 100cm and viola, instant super accurate never-out-of-square mega ensquare-o-matic.

    Factory accuracy of these sheets are bang-on.

    Put a hardwood edge on it, or some aluminium/steel angle bar if its to be super permanent.

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    Why don't you have a look at the posts and youtube videos from one of your own forumers "Hook on wood", He's reviewed a fair number of "cheap" squares from China. I bought one of them from China and is quite happy with it.
    By the way, if it is a combination square. you can easily get it square yourself with a bit of sandpaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    This makes me think about squareness a lot.

    Engineering squares are super high precision. They also cost a lot. One must treat them very nicely.

    I've never needed anything like the level of tolerance that these provide. So far, I've not been commissioned to build some high efficiency nuclear reactor or such.

    Why not use the corner of MDF? Grab a sheet, cut off a triangle thats 50cm x 100cm and viola, instant super accurate never-out-of-square mega ensquare-o-matic.

    Factory accuracy of these sheets are bang-on.

    Put a hardwood edge on it, or some aluminium/steel angle bar if its to be super permanent.
    My view is that I am going to be accurate, or I'm not going to be accurate. If I am going to be accurate I would at least like to be able to reverse my square after drawing a line and have the lines parallel.

    Sure if I am not going to care about accuracy that much I could use a piece of timber out of the factory. I could even just eyeball it. But the trouble with accuracy (or the lack of it) is that it is cumulative, and it is magnified over length.

    For me, I would prefer something that is as accurate as possible to start out with. That way the vagaries of my eyesight and other environmental conditions won't compound the original inaccuracies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justonething View Post
    Why don't you have a look at the posts and youtube videos from one of your own forumers "Hook on wood", He's reviewed a fair number of "cheap" squares from China. I bought one of them from China and is quite happy with it.
    By the way, if it is a combination square. you can easily get it square yourself with a bit of sandpaper.
    Funnily enough I watched 8 of his videos yesterday. Quite inspirational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wongdai View Post
    Hello all

    I have noticed that the square my father gave me way back when (it must be at least 50 years old) is no longer actually square.

    So I am looking for something cheap and accurate (yeah I know), something like this, but doesn't cost $150 (which I think is way over the mark).
    200mm Precision Woodworking Square w/- case (851m)- Woodpecker woodworksupplies.com.au

    Looking for recommendations please.
    I would grab this 6" engineers square - perfect for joinery and a very good price for the make: Moore and Wright 150mm 6" Engineer Square Precision Ground Measure Faces 400-6 5051102019846 | eBay


    Regards from Perth

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcohen View Post
    I would grab this 6" engineers square - perfect for joinery and a very good price for the make: Moore and Wright 150mm 6" Engineer Square Precision Ground Measure Faces 400-6 5051102019846 | eBay


    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    I still have the Moore & Wright I bought for my apprenticeship in 1961. Looks a bit worse for wear but accurate.

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