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14th August 2007, 12:54 PM #1
Stair stringers and tread thickness
A bloke just emailed me about a problem he has with the stringer dimensions that my calculator gives him. He reckons:
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one thing that it doesn’t appear to take into account is the bottom step. This step rise should be the thickness of the tread material shorter than the other rises, due to the fact that you don’t put a tread on the ground. For instance your program figured out for me that I needed 6 rises of 6-1/2”. However, because I don’t put a tread on the ground, once you add a tread to that first step it now becomes a rise of 7-1/2”. Because all of the other steps get treads their rise remains at 6-1/2”.
My problem now is that if I cut an inch off the bottom, which is the thickness of the composite decking I’m using, it then lowers the entire stringer, making the top rise 1” higher than it should be.
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I'm not a carpenter, so not exactly sure what he's saying.
Does he mean that the stringer points should be adjusted (down) by tread thickness to be at the bottom of the treads?
Should I add the option of entering a 'Tread Thickness' entry and adjust the stringer diagram/measuremants to suit?
Thanks for any input
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14th August 2007, 02:18 PM #21/16"
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Blocklayer, when I do stairs the floor becomes the top of the 1st tread and the top floor is the top of the last tread so when you divide the rise into the No of treads you get the rise to the top of each tread.
Don't take the thickness of the tread from the rise. It is part of the rise.Don't force it, use a bigger hammer.
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14th August 2007, 02:51 PM #3
That's the way it is set up now Rat52, but I think he means that when you cut the stringer, you need to adjust the cuts down by the thickness of the tread, so when you place the treads on the tops of the stringer cuts, the top of the tread is at the correct height.
So, as he suggested, with a total rise of 3'3", you'd have 6 rises of 6 1/2". But, if the treads are 1" thick, the first cut in the stringer would need to be (vertically) at 5 1/2" so when the tread goes on it ends up at 6 1/2".
Is this what he means?
At the moment, you can choose from 'Concrete' and enter concrete thickness to give formwork dimensions, or 'Stringer Width' to give the actual stringer measurements. I was thinking about adding a 'Tread Thickness' input, and if its > 0 and 'Stinger Width' is selected, to adjust the running stringer measurements down for the tread thickness.
This would only be for stringers where the treads are placed on top of the cuts.
What's the go?
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14th August 2007, 04:25 PM #4SENIOR MEMBER
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I don't think he knows enough about it to build a staircase. He says that he's either got an inch too much at the top, or an inch too much at the bottom, so he must have plugged an extra inch into his original calculations somehow.
It's like rat says. He should forget about the tread thickness and only concentrate on the top of the tread for marking out, then mark the thickness of the tread down from that.
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14th August 2007, 07:24 PM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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Just had a quick look at your calculator, and it is correct.As Pawnhead said, the rise is taken to the top of the tread, and then material thickness is taken from that after setting out the rise.He must be attempting to set out a cut stringer rather than a housed stringer.If he wants a cut stringer, then he needs to cut the thickness of the tread down from the set out.
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15th August 2007, 12:32 AM #6
Since your stringer layout isn't the actual timber dimensions, I think you're good to go. I'd avoid any complications with entry of the tread thickness. Perhaps just add a note that timber dimensions should be adjusted for the thickness of the tread. One would think that a real carpenter would be able to make his/her cuts from the work points you've provided, with allowance for the treads.
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3rd October 2007, 11:40 AM #7Novice
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Looking at the calculator now - Thanks for the link
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