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    Default The strength of Hardwood long beam with Joins?

    I was looking at Merbau & it has zigzag finger joins every metre or so in the beam. Would 2M length 50x50mm with a join in middle be as strong as 2M of Merbau with no join?

    If you wondering what this is for, just an upright beam with a vertical extended steel support on top to hold some weight around 40KG. Something like merbau with no joins would be plenty strong. I just don't trust these joins.



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    A couple of years back i had the opportunity to go on a tour of a timber mill in Colac, one of their value added products was finger jointed radiata pine panels and posts like the one you described. Samples were regularly taken and stress tested. Pretty sure every sample i saw in their testing lab had failed in the timber and not at the glue join.

    If you are loading the post vertically the stress on the joins will be compressive so i wouldn't think it would be a problem.

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    50 x 50 is pretty solid

    is your intended use a beam (i.e. horizontal) -- or a column (i.e. vertical)?

    if a column is the 40kg load axial (i.e. down the centre of the column) -- or off axis?
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    50 x 50 is pretty solid

    is your intended use a beam (i.e. horizontal) -- or a column (i.e. vertical)?

    if a column is the 40kg load axial (i.e. down the centre of the column) -- or off axis?
    Hi, a column. The load is off axis, by about 30+cm

    thanks.

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    I don't think there will be a problem.

    However, do you have a sketch of how you intend to use the column?
    What provision have you made to resist buckling over the 2m length? braces, or struts, or shelves, or ...
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    I don't think there will be a problem.

    However, do you have a sketch of how you intend to use the column?
    What provision have you made to resist buckling over the 2m length? braces, or struts, or shelves, or ...
    Hi,

    I don't think any braces or support are needed, as its holding the load for short periods (10mins) & is pretty thick. It bows a little.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tegmark View Post
    Hi,

    I don't think any braces or support are needed, as its holding the load for short periods (10mins) & is pretty thick. It bows a little.
    that's what would worry me.

    The duration of the load is not really relevant.
    However, the strength of any post (or column) declines rapidly as the post bends and even a little nudge to the bow can induce catastrophic failure

    see attached diagram
    50 x 50 Column.jpg
    Last edited by ian; 3rd July 2015 at 12:26 AM. Reason: add diagram
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    that's what would worry me.

    The duration of the load is not really relevant.
    However, the strength of any post (or column) declines rapidly as the post bends and even a little nudge to the bow can induce catastrophic failure

    see attached diagram
    50 x 50 Column.jpg
    Hi, nice diagram.



    I decided to back the weight off a bit to 33kg, here is a diagram of top section, I just had a question about the support.



    The blue support will be bolted into the wood where indicated at red line, I'm wondering what is the minimum thickness bolt needed for strength? I would like to go 6mm as any wider & the width of the wood suffers. What about two 6mm bolts one on top of the other? would the load spread on both bolts evenly?

    thanks

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