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    Default Stubborn and silly old woodworker

    I have been hand cutting dovetails of all types for many years. And for all these many years the one aspect of the joint I have always had trouble with is getting a perfectly clean shoulder line across the timber. Last week I watched Steve Hay cutting some dovetails and he used a guide block. He aligns the block across the timber on the shoulder line and uses the face of the block to par back to the line accurately. This is not a new trick and I had seen it a long time ago. But I decided, I don't know why, that this was "cheating" and that I would learn to do it without.

    Well yesterday I was making some drawers and I figured if it was good enough for him it was good enough for me. The results were amazing. Perfectly fitting shoulders every time. I only wish I had done this long ago.
    My age is still less than my number of posts

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    Thanks chook. I've got some dovetails coming up and I know what you mean, i'll give it a go myself.

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    Hi,
    There's cheating and cheating, I use router jigs without a qualm, we each draw our own line. (pun just happened, I've been reading to much in the toy makers section.)
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    Hugh

    Enough is enough, more than enough is too much.

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    Chook

    This is your first and last warning - you have been reported to the Dovetail Police for unlawful use of guides during handtool work. Steve have also been dobbed in!



    There is actually an easier and more accurate way (I am always up for easy).

    Mark the baselines a little more deeply after you have done the sawing (so that the knifed lines are deeper where you plan to excavate waste).

    Then undercut the baseline so that you will have a "fence" for the chisel ...



    Then it becomes an easy matter to sit the chisel against this fence when you do the final pare (keep that as fine as possible).



    There is an article here: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furnitu...Baselines.html

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Duke View Post
    Hi,
    There's cheating and cheating, I use router jigs without a qualm, we each draw our own line. (pun just happened, I've been reading to much in the toy makers section.)
    Regards
    We do seem to have our own boundaries. I like tools and especially hand saws, planes and chisels. There is something about the sound and feel of a chisel (even the smell) cutting timber that I really enjoy. I have a 16 inch tenon saw that makes a wonderful sound as it cuts. But there is no way, no way at all, I am getting rid of my big noisy table saw or my even noisier thicknesser. Call me lazy and I suppose you would be close to the money. On the other hand and I smile now as I think of it, the set of drawers I made yesterday just pressed together perfectly and the fun I had making them was just great.

    Derek I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for using a guide block. I promise to try to be good in the future. On an unrelated matter some time ago you sent me a PM regarding the optimum bevel angle for my Veritas BU smoother. I think they come at something like 30 degrees from the factory and you you suggested I change it to 50. Well I did so and the effect was nearly miraculous. The BU plane is a wonder to use in all sorts of timber and I have been remiss in not thanking you for your advice much sooner. The plane has an A2 steel blade in it but I will be replacing it with a PMV 11 blade when my daughter visits from America. She may as well bring some goodies with her since she lives almost next to a big Veritas store. Anyway I really appreciate the time you took to advise me and you were 100 percent correct.
    My age is still less than my number of posts

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    Hi Chook

    Thanks for the feedback - great that it worked out.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
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    Did Derek just say "I'm always up for easy" ?

    It feels a bit like I've slipped into a parallel universe here

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    I am also up for easy but I don't have a jig so the few dovetails that I cut are done by hand.

    I should also add that it is a great feeling when it just works out.

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