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    Thanks for all your help so far.
    Thanks for the offer Damian but I can't find my compass & my muel is sick.
    I'm liking the way Yawally thinks, more tools for the same dollars.

    I like the idea of the styrafoam as i already have a couple of 2.4X1.2mx75mm sheets left over from building the house. I was planing on building a 2.1X0.9m mobile work bench anyway, which could be wheeled out in front of the garage for the 2.4m cuts. Either way I go I won't be able to do long cuts when its raining as i would need the roller door open for the panel saw. So i'm now swinging heavily towards the Festool and bench saw + bandsaw + jointer & thicknesser. Any ideas on how much money I should dedicate to each. The Festool will be about $1000, so that leaves approx.$3,500 give or take.

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    I totally agree with Yawally. From reading your post I think it is important not to get too carried away with concentrating on cutting the large panels.

    I see that there are two essential points you raise - 1. you have limited space and 2. you intent to do more "general" woodwork i.e. the entertainment units. Therefore, take a step back and look at the total workshop equipment you are going to need to complete all the tasks you have planned (and those you haven't thought of yet ).

    How about also adding to the list a dust extraction system, router table, hand tools - planes, saws, clamps etc etc. Even with the budget you have (which I wish I had!) you will find it will disappear very quickly especially if you are looking at quality gear e.g. Festool. Even if at this time you get the larger panels cut for you or you use the plunge saw and rail, I'm sure the overall pleasure of having a well equiped workshop will far outweigh the issue of not having a large panel saw.

    All the best with your decision making - don't hesitate to ask more questions if you need to. This forum has plenty of folk who are only too happy to share and give their opinions. We look forward to seeing photos of what you make.

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    Thanks all for your input, I'm thinking I'll scrap the panel saw idea and go with the bench saw & Festool.
    Any suggestions on models for the table saw, band saw, thicknesser & jointer. I'm already thinking that $3500 may be a bit optomistic for all this for reliable, quality equipment. Any thoughts/opinions welcome.
    Cheers,
    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapman007 View Post
    I'm already thinking that $3500 may be a bit optomistic for all this for reliable, quality equipment. Any thoughts/opinions welcome.
    Buy used, good quality machinery.
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    If you are working by yourself the Festool TS75 is brilliant. The accuracy and speed of setting up is superb, If you get one, go the bigger 75 model over the 55 as it will cut 75mm and that might not be an issue now, but down the track its a god send. Also has to be the best method of trimming doors to fit. I love that.

    Blade change takes around 20-30 seconds, has the convenient plug in cord, and the best thing for me is the ability of cutting two solid planks side by side (and upside down - for zero tear-out) to produce the “perfect join” Also you can get by with the 1400 rail, and like me, make your own longer one for large jobs. Mine is 2.7 and works a treat. Like all Festool products this one is highly recommended.

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    I would still recommend the Festool system.
    There is an accessory kit that Festool do that allows you to do accurate angles (any angles) up to 180. if you want some part numbers let me know cause i have the Festool product book here.

    and with the planer/thicknesser i would recommend the Metabo. I retail for around the $2500 mark and comes with a 3 year warranty for piece of mind and same with the bandsaw. Metabo have one for around 1500 that would prob suit your needs.
    Last edited by PenmanWA; 5th September 2008 at 07:21 PM. Reason: forgot info lol

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    Any info on products, model numbers, prices, ets is appreciated.
    Cheers,
    Paul

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    ok here we go

    Festool TS75EBQPLUSFS 561183
    Comes in systainer 1400 rail, splinterguard

    Accessory kit includes: 492396
    2 x clamps fsz 120
    deflector - to stop extractor hose getting caught on the workpiece/rail
    combination angle - for getting those perfect angles everytime
    set back stop
    2 x connecting elements
    size 1 systainer

    rails come in 800, 1080, 1400, 1900, 2400, 3000 and 5000mm lengths
    they also come with holes for furniture assembly in 1080 and 2424mm lengths

    there is no point giving you prices cause they will differ from here to there

    Hope this has been a help
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    Cool

    what's the approx retail price on the 75 with all the kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapman007 View Post
    what's the approx retail price on the 75 with all the kit?
    Ill hve a look tomorrow and repost then
    cant think of it off the top of my head
    Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapman007 View Post
    what's the approx retail price on the 75 with all the kit?


    all you need to know is on this great site

    http://www.idealtools.com.au/festool...nd_accessories

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    I have to preface the following comment with No I am not being a smartarse! Before someone suggests that I am.
    I was once in exactly the same position you now find yourself but at that time there was no elegant Festool system to chose from and I opted for the use of various lengths of c section aluminum as a guide for a circular saw as I had neither the space or budget for a Panel saw. I did buy a table saw but working alone a tablesaw
    As it turned out I did learn how to make fairly accurate cuts with the circular saw but it was without a doubt a pain in the butt.
    Ultimately my solution was to simply not use sheet goods at all something I think forced me to learn how to make better furniture using solid materials, this I dont regret by the way and while I would not say no to a panel saw now I dont really need one.
    Perhaps not for commercial work but it is my belief that solid timber panels dont realy cost that much more than veneered manufactured boards if you add up the time and expense of cutting up edging etc, not to mention the quality of the end result and the limitations it places on your design.

    I suppose what I am saying it if you are determined to use a lot of sheet goods then nothing comes close to a panel saw if not then the money is better spent elsewhwere.


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    Ross, you would be surprised at just how good the TS is with solid timber for furniture. I use mine for some MDF for benches, but its main use is for table tops and its just awesome. Even though I have a good cabinet saw, I would be totally lost without the TS75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Different View Post
    Perhaps not for commercial work but it is my belief that solid timber panels dont realy cost that much more than veneered manufactured boards if you add up the time and expense of cutting up edging etc
    I would love to see your maths on this one???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Different View Post
    I suppose what I am saying it if you are determined to use a lot of sheet goods then nothing comes close to a panel saw if not then the money is better spent elsewhwere.


    Ross
    I'm affraid I agree.

    but not enough space eh snapman. poor bugger. After all those tools in there your going to be tripping over yourself.

    Don't forget to address crosscuts. How you going to do that accurately ? I tried to mention that before.

    ie.
    you start a straight edge with this festool . (since you just gota have it)
    then how you going to rip parallel to that ? (can you do that with the festool well?)
    and once you've done that how you going to crosscut accurately to that ? (maybe a SCM....<-thats a tool you'll probably have a lot of use for. Make a big station for it along the wall. But then you'll be only able to crosscut up to about 300.

    Uno, what the best idea is snapman .

    get a bigger shed and buy a panel saw.

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