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    If you buy in to the whole Festool thing you can get accessories to add to the guide rail for parallel rips and angled or square cuts. Another guide rail system worth a look is the Eurekazone rail and various accessories. Have a look at their youtube promos. http://uk.youtube.com/user/eurekazone

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    Uno, what the best idea is snapman .

    get a bigger shed and buy a panel saw.




    The really sad part is we don't even have room on our land to put a bigger shed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
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    you start a straight edge with this festool . (since you just gota have it)
    then how you going to rip parallel to that ? (can you do that with the festool well?)
    and once you've done that how you going to crosscut accurately to that ?
    Rip it first with the guide rail, then its a simple matter of measuring the width of the rip at the top and bottom, putting the guide rail on and, presto. A perfect rip. Repeat for x-cut. And for joining boards, lay two side by side and face side down, place the guide rails so the blade cuts the edge of both at the same time, and you will end up with 100% perfect invisible join. I have cut the use of my cabinet saw in half since i have had the TS75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapman007 View Post
    Uno, what the best idea is snapman .

    get a bigger shed and buy a panel saw.



    The really sad part is we don't even have room on our land to put a bigger shed.
    oh well, next idea. need space to work sheet unless your stubborn. IMO

    I had a double bay garage. about 6x6 I worked in for a while. Spent a great deal of time fitting it all in (no way in the world could I fit a panel saw in there) After its was all setup there wasn't enough floor space left to work sheet. Had to go outside, and work it off sawhorses and circular saws. And I'll never go back there after using a panel saw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lignum View Post
    Rip it first with the guide rail, then its a simple matter of measuring the width of the rip at the top and bottom, putting the guide rail on and, presto. A perfect rip. Repeat for x-cut. And for joining boards, lay two side by side and face side down, place the guide rails so the blade cuts the edge of both at the same time, and you will end up with 100% perfect invisible join. I have cut the use of my cabinet saw in half since i have had the TS75.
    It sounds excellent Lignum. May have to get one myself for home.

    Can you cross cut square with it just as easy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
    Had to go outside, and work it off sawhorses and circular saws. And I'll never go back there after using a panel saw.
    That’s the difference between a standard circular saw and guide and the Festool. The rail has a non slip grip under it so no clamps are needed and a rubber splinter strip on the side where the blade cuts so perfect alignment for your pencil mark is. Its so quick, simple and precise. Not to far of a panel saw for ease of use. And x-cutting is as easy as 1,2,3 Very accurate (as accurate as your measuring)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lignum View Post
    . Not to far of a panel saw for ease of use.
    I'm not doubting its handy Lignum...but I very much doubt it even compares to a panel saw.

    must relate to your use of a panel saw.....

    straighten an edge......rip off fence.....turn 90 degrees onto crosscut fence, square one end......flip onto crosscut stop, and crosscut to length.

    4 cuts and your rectangles complete. ......multiples of the same piece can be made very fast over and over.

    And in cabinet work, as you know, multiples are everywhere.

    But he can't have a panel saw eh. sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
    I'm not doubting its handy Lignum...but I very much doubt it even compares to a panel saw.

    must relate to your use of a panel saw.....

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    Never said it compares to a panel saw, said its not far off one. Its just as accurate as the most expensive panel saw, but obviously a little slower. And how many woodworkers (apart from cabinet shops) own or have the space for a panel saw to handle a full sheet? My guess, not many.

    You can get a TSC-10HB or Jet Cabinet/Super saw and TS75 and guide rail for less that a budget panel saw, and that combination will do everything a panel saw will do and sometimes more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lignum View Post
    Never said it compares to a panel saw, said its not far off one. Its just as accurate as the most expensive panel saw, but obviously a little slower.
    Not far off one ?..........ITs gota be far off, obviously from the reasons given in my previous post. It doesn't cross cut.

    Little slower !..... Its gota be ten times slower ! It doesn't cross cut off a fence maintaining support the whole time.

    And how many woodworkers (apart from cabinet shops) own or have the space for a panel saw to handle a full sheet? My guess, not many.
    I don't know.

    You can get a TSC-10HB or Jet Cabinet/Super saw and TS75 and guide rail for less that a budget panel saw, and that combination will do every more extra thing a panel saw will do and sometimes more.
    Shore whatever he wants.....or has to do cause of his space restrictions....and whatever you want to push...but it all pales in comparison to the use of a panel saw. obviously.

    If he's going to buy the festool, how about talking about how he's going to crosscut effectively these long lengths thats been talked about. (another tool that'll take up space)

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
    festool is sounding better, I like that foam idea (even though sounds like you be crawling over sheet on your knees), and the long fence......but after you've cut an edge, how do you go about cutting another long edge perpendicular ? .......is there some kind of inbuilt device in the guide that lines up perfect 90 degree cuts for you off an existing cut?
    Not exactly in-built, but the Festool Multifunction table solves most of those problems - perpendicular cuts, workpiece support, angle-cuts, and more. Plus you can use the MFT and guide rails for guided routing (with a Festool router). And you get an excellent workbench for sanding and general assembly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post

    If he's going to buy the festool, how about talking about how he's going to crosscut effectively these long lengths thats been talked about. (another tool that'll take up space)
    Whats the difference between rip and x-cut? At the end of the day nothing. Get the guides and make a cut. Simple And how much quicker is a panel saw at cutting a sheet ripped down with the TS75 then cut on a cabinet saw? very little And its like any tool/machine, it comes down to how you use it and the type/quality of jig you use.

    A few weeks back a stuff up with the measurment of the legs on 8 benches meant i had to trim a 5mm chamfer off 32 legs that had already been assembled. I would have been stuffed if i didnt have the Festool. Very quick and perfect accuracy, ready to domino on an extra 100mm blank. Try that on a panel saw

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    Would i maybe better off with a table saw that has a 1200mm sliding table?
    My biggest problem is space. When not being used it has to fit in a 3m x 2m space.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lignum View Post
    Whats the difference between rip and x-cut?
    well there cut differently aren't they.

    the panel saws got a cross cut platform always setup square. No adjustments.

    If you've ripped up lengths, say 2400mm like mentioned, and you want them all the same length (typical ) then where are your stops on the tablesaw sled? ....there already on the panel saws cross cut fence locked off. No special(potentially fiddly jigs to make)ready to cut them all the same.

    The process is far more accurate and faster because there's no switching between machines, there no readjusting fences, or stops, no ensuring the platforms level or worry for cutting through platforms (as you may with the festool)....no on your knees stuffing about on foam.

    With the panel saw you can handle one piece for all 4 cuts or whathave you. and when you layoff its done. no rehandling on different machines just to get the basic dimentions.

    Are you seriously telling me that if you had the space, and ready for a fresh start of tools you wouldn't buy a panel saw ?

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    Paul,
    Why not take up Damian's offer. Go and have a look at one, tapemeasure in hand.
    That should make your decision process a lot easier.

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    Use your garage or home workshop to make Plantation Shutters as a business

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post

    Are you seriously telling me that if you had the space, and ready for a fresh start of tools you wouldn't buy a panel saw ?
    I have 350 sq meters of space and money to purchase one, but my combination is perfect for solid timber furniture making. I dont touch pre-veneered sheets. Im more than happy to live forever without a panel saw

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