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    Quote Originally Posted by Lignum View Post
    I have 350 sq meters of space and money to purchase one, but my combination is perfect for solid timber furniture making. I dont touch pre-veneered sheets. Im more than happy to live forever without a panel saw
    Fairenough ya festool nutter

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    Default All this for a few cupboards?

    Fair go, given that he is not a commercial operation, there are much cheaper alternatives available, here's a few in rough order of cost.

    1. Give the specs to a cabinetmaker and have him cut the panels for you.

    2. Find a hobby shop nearby (men's shed type) where you can use their machines for an hourly fee.

    3. Cut them yourself using a circular saw, but you are likely to get chipout.

    4. Get a Festool circ saw setup.

    5. Buy a TS with a panel attachment and a good zero clearance insert and quality blade. Just a note on size here, I have a two car garage and can cut a full size panel in a crowded workspace. I wouldn't do it commercially, but for 5-6 panels at a time it's easy and accurate.

    6. Buy a panel saw.

    7. Buy the furniture!

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    I've read all of this with interest.

    Can I politely say that those against panel saws clearly don't have one?

    Unless you live in a fully renovated and fully furnished palace, the first thing you need is a panel saw. You can cut melamine, veneered panels etc, not only for yourself but for all the neighbors and relatives. Take my word for it, once you have a panel saw, you will never be short on jobs. Even kitchens, pantries, storage cabinets..... The list goes on. Freebies, that's the main problem.

    And yes, I do have a panel saw of sorts, a Minimax CU 300 Smart Combo that I've had for 6 or more years.

    I also have two table saws, plus a bandsaw, so I know what gets used the most.

    Of course, I'd prefer to be working in solid timber all the time. But the reality is that manufactured board reigns supreme on the home-building front.

    And, if you really push it, possibly on the solid timber front as well. I can glue, rip and cross-cut a table top in no time on the panel saw. Time me and check for accuracy against any jig / Festool sytem.

    Comes down to money, but the value you add to your home and shed with cabinets cut on a panel saw takes some beating.

    IMHO of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jefferson View Post
    Time me and check for accuracy against any jig / Festool sytem.
    A panel saw is heaps quicker than the Festool by a mile, but not the accuracy in table tops. Their would be no diference between the two. The Festool would be easier for the final trimming of the top, because you dont have to heave a heavy slab up onto the saw, instead just place your rails on the top.

    I doubt anyone would say the panel saw isnt the premier cutting machine, but the majority just dont need something thats main use is sheet goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jefferson View Post
    I've read all of this with interest.

    Can I politely say that those against panel saws clearly don't have one?

    Unless you live in a fully renovated and fully furnished palace, the first thing you need is a panel saw. You can cut melamine, veneered panels etc, not only for yourself but for all the neighbors and relatives.

    IMHO of course.

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    I dont live in a fully renovated and fully furnished palace nor do I use melamine for anything save making jigs I dont use ply or MDF or any other sheet goods I dont do jobs for Friends relatives and neighbors in particular and I dont need a Panel saw.
    Were I to own a panel saw and I would not complain I still wouldnt use sheet goods IMHO its not worth having in your house with the possible exception of kitchen cabinets and as I hate that kind of work I would probably pay somebody with a panelsaw to do it for me.

    All IMHO

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    thanks all for the help/comments/confusion so far - saved me from making the wrong descision so far.
    I would prefer to have a panel saw or at least a table saw with a sliding saw.
    My biggest restriction is space, I only have a width of 3m to fit it in(gotta car the car in beside it), so if it's on a mobile base its smallest dimension has to be 3m.
    I would prefer not to go the Festool route and put that money into a saw with a sliding table or a panel saw.
    I need to build a mobile work bench anyway and i can build this the same height as the table saw if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapman007 View Post
    thanks all for the help/comments/confusion so far - saved me from making the wrong descision so far.
    I would prefer to have a panel saw or at least a table saw with a sliding saw.
    My biggest restriction is space, I only have a width of 3m to fit it in(gotta car the car in beside it), so if it's on a mobile base its smallest dimension has to be 3m.
    I would prefer not to go the Festool route and put that money into a saw with a sliding table or a panel saw.
    I need to build a mobile work bench anyway and i can build this the same height as the table saw if need be.

    I had the same space as you did when I bought my first panel saw. It was a Mini-max ST 4 elite with a 2800mm slider. It lived on one side of the garage and the rest of the tools resided at various locations around the garage having been placed on mobile stands. One car was able to park on the other side.

    When I used the panel saw, I opened the garage. It all worked quite well. Having enough space is more about organisation (up to a point) rather than having the actual square metres available to you. The compromise is usually time spent setting up and clearing work areas.

    Good luck with your dilemma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lignum View Post
    I doubt anyone would say the panel saw isnt the premier cutting machine, but the majority just dont need something thats main use is sheet goods.
    yes but Lig........sheet goods are cut the same way as solid......cut to width.......cut to length. Can do everything on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapman007 View Post
    thanks all for the help/comments/confusion so far - saved me from making the wrong descision so far.
    I would prefer to have a panel saw or at least a table saw with a sliding saw.
    My biggest restriction is space, I only have a width of 3m to fit it in(gotta car the car in beside it), so if it's on a mobile base its smallest dimension has to be 3m.
    I would prefer not to go the Festool route and put that money into a saw with a sliding table or a panel saw.
    I need to build a mobile work bench anyway and i can build this the same height as the table saw if need be.
    One option not yet mentioned here is that of using the Triton Sliding Extension Table with a cabinet saw. I have a TL10S cabinet saw and adapted the Triton Slider to fit, similar to Sturdee's original idea.
    As for the Festool idea, from where I am sitting it is a very expensive way of breaking up full sheets prior to cutting on the table saw. I have some aluminium rails, purchased from Carbatec, that clamp on to the sheet and I use my Triton TS001 Saw to pre-cut the sheets, cheap and easy method.
    The cutting table and rail are shown in post #18 of this thread.

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    I already chimed in on progrip. They don't like it. I'm interested in your experiences with it though as I've been thinking of getting one.

    What's your fascination with the perigrin ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
    yes but Lig........sheet goods are cut the same way as solid......cut to width.......cut to length. Can do everything on it.
    Its like buying a Hummer just to drive 500 meters twice a week to the supermarket

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
    yes but Lig........sheet goods are cut the same way as solid......cut to width.......cut to length. Can do everything on it.
    It can even be used as a jointer for squaring stock (within size limits), which you can't do on a normal table saw.

    I've got a panel saw and have used it for making mdf storage cupboards for the shed, a work bench (real wood), and heaps of general ripping and cutting to length (also real wood) ... and will soon also use it to reno the kitchen.

    Regardless of whether or not you use sheet goods, a panel saw is probably the most versatile of table saws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lignum View Post
    Its like buying a Hummer just to drive 500 meters twice a week to the supermarket
    Good point, but you don't have to spend a fortune on a panel saw. I got mine (from a fellow forumite) for less than the new cost of a half decent table saw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damian View Post
    I already chimed in on progrip. They don't like it. I'm interested in your experiences with it though as I've been thinking of getting one.

    What's your fascination with the perigrin ?
    That's it, ProGrip, couldn't remember the name. I have 3, one is suitable for 4ft panels, a 3 ft and a 2ft. Not only use them for the saw but also for the router, best thing since sliced bread. I don't have the dedicated sleds, but have been thinking of getting the router one.

    I have been interested in the Peregrine Falcon for years, used to be really active in nature photography, also my computer consultancy business was named after it. I guess it is just my favourite bird. If you have ever seen a Peregrine Falcon fly and dive on its' prey you won't ever forget that.

    Coming back to the panel saw question. I can't see how you can justify one for the average home workshop, I like the Hummer analogy!
    My TS10L with the Triton Slider does all the panel work for me. Having a 1275mm rip width means half the time I don't even put the Triton Slider on.

    I make quite a few nest boxes from 19mm ply, and break the 2400x1200 panels down using my cutting table and the ProGrip, then the rest of the cutting on the TS10L, works for me. The beauty of having the removable slider is that it doesn't take up any space, it hangs on the wall, when not in use. It sets up ready for use in less than 5 mins.

    I have just finished a base cupboard for my new metal lathe and again used this combination for all the cutting, easy fast and accurate.

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    Having read with interest the pros and cons of rail systems vs panel saw...what about a wall saw (saves space).

    Steve

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