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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    Thanks Paul. Your 80s idea sounds great — shame it didn’t work out. Any idea what similar acreage would cost these days?

    I’ll put a nice glossy proposal together for the relevant council to show our project in the best possible light. Thinking with garbage we could just drive it to the local dump.
    Back in 1986 it cost $100,000. I don't know what it would be now. Bear in mind that much depends on location as I'm sure you appreciate. Ours would not be in the highly coveted regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Back in 1986 it cost $100,000. I don't know what it would be now. Bear in mind that much depends on location as I'm sure you appreciate. Ours would not be in the highly coveted regions.

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    Hoping for something no more than an hour’s drive from Brisbane because we’d keep our day jobs, ideally with a creek and some interesting topography. Regarding the buildings it’s my intention that they all be of timber construction. I believe cypress is termite resistant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    Thanks Paul. Your 80s idea sounds great — shame it didn’t work out. Any idea what similar acreage would cost these days?

    I’ll put a nice glossy proposal together for the relevant council to show our project in the best possible light. Thinking with garbage we could just drive it to the local dump.
    Keep in mind that their first point of reference will be the lands zoning, even if they don’t mind your idea if the zoning dies not allow such development you will have a process and cost involved to rezone.
    To save yourself some time preparing a proposal I would just have a chat to the duty Town Planner and see what is permitted on the land.
    They wont give you any preemptive indication of whether they would approve it anyway over the counter, there standard line is that you would need to submit a DA to find out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardy View Post
    Keep in mind that their first point of reference will be the lands zoning, even if they don’t mind your idea if the zoning dies not allow such development you will have a process and cost involved to rezone.
    To save yourself some time preparing a proposal I would just have a chat to the duty Town Planner and see what is permitted on the land.
    They wont give you any preemptive indication of whether they would approve it anyway over the counter, there standard line is that you would need to submit a DA to find out
    Does zoning apply outside city limits?
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    If there is a Council there is zoning. As far as I am aware, if your structure is transportable, self contained and on private property there is little Council can do to move you on. This does not necessarily mean it has to be on wheels, just transportable. Some councils may be different, I haven't heard of any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    Hoping for something no more than an hour’s drive from Brisbane because we’d keep our day jobs, ideally with a creek and some interesting topography. Regarding the buildings it’s my intention that they all be of timber construction. I believe cypress is termite resistant.
    Manupatree.

    I fear that your statement "an hour's drive from Brissy just propelled you to First Class or perhaps Business Class may be more appropriate, as far as property purchase is concerned. Everybody wants that. Even two hours for the weekend getaway elevates the price.

    Returning to the design for a moment, I would at least keep in the back of my mind Rustynail's mention of transportable buildings. They may come under a "non-permanent" classification and it is probably why converted shipping containers are attractive for this purpose, but I don't wish to dissuade you from your original design:

    Having said that, I don't see why your original concept could not be adapted to the ubiquitous container. This thread may give you some ideas and it even has a double bed that winches into the wall, although accomodation was not the primary purpose. It is of course a temporary building as anything permanent larger than a lawn locker requires council approval.

    The studio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Manupatree.

    I fear that your statement "an hour's drive from Brissy just propelled you to First Class or perhaps Business Class may be more appropriate, as far as property purchase is concerned. Everybody wants that. Even two hours for the weekend getaway elevates the price.

    Returning to the design for a moment, I would at least keep in the back of my mind Rustynail's mention of transportable buildings. They may come under a "non-permanent" classification and it is probably why converted shipping containers are attractive for this purpose, but I don't wish to dissuade you from your original design:

    Having said that, I don't see why your original concept could not be adapted to the ubiquitous container. This thread may give you some ideas and it even has a double bed that winches into the wall, although accomodation was not the primary purpose. It is of course a temporary building as anything permanent larger than a lawn locker requires council approval.

    The studio

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    I appreciate what you’re saying but with 20 interested friends each chipping in, say, $100K, that’s two million which I hope puts our ideal plot within reach.

    Transportability, yes, in principle they have that. No wheels but they could be lifted off the ground onto a flatbed truck without damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    Does zoning apply outside city limits?
    Absolutely.
    Even on rural acreage there are stipulations as to if you can build a home on it and where, if you are near a watercourse there are exclusion zones to prevent contamination. There are environmentally sensitive classifications on areas as well.
    Efluent systems need to be professionally designed after soil permeability is determined. A bushfire report is required by a professional consultant to classify a BAL rating you need to build to. Dams require approval as they interrupt the natural water course. Fences may have requirements to allow the wildlife to freely navigate across the land.

    The whole process is no different to building a house in the suburbs but with additional requirements
    I have been through the process with my property.

    Long gone are the days where you just do whatever you think is a fair thing, my neighbor recently cut a new road to his top paddock and received a 10k fine for unauthorised work and environmental vandalism

    You really need to have a chat to council to get an understanding of what is involved with your proposal. I think you will find that the requirements will be quite onerous IF they will even allow it at all.

    The other aspect to consider is what entity will all of this be done under?, community title, a company and all the occupants are directors/ shareholders, will there need be a body corporate to administer the property. What if someone dies, gets divorced or married or goes bankrupt or just wants to sell up their portion ?
    Lots to consider

    Goid luck with it all, I appreciate what you are just wanting a simple life existence with all of this but I think there will be some hurdle to get through first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardy View Post
    Absolutely.
    Even on rural acreage there are stipulations as to if you can build a home on it and where, if you are near a watercourse there are exclusion zones to prevent contamination. There are environmentally sensitive classifications on areas as well.
    Efluent systems need to be professionally designed after soil permeability is determined. A bushfire report is required by a professional consultant to classify a BAL rating you need to build to. Dams require approval as they interrupt the natural water course. Fences may have requirements to allow the wildlife to freely navigate across the land.

    The whole process is no different to building a house in the suburbs but with additional requirements
    I have been through the process with my property.

    Long gone are the days where you just do whatever you think is a fair thing, my neighbor recently cut a new road to his top paddock and received a 10k fine for unauthorised work and environmental vandalism

    You really need to have a chat to council to get an understanding of what is involved with your proposal. I think you will find that the requirements will be quite onerous IF they will even allow it at all.

    The other aspect to consider is what entity will all of this be done under?, community title, a company and all the occupants are directors/ shareholders, will there need be a body corporate to administer the property. What if someone dies, gets divorced or married or goes bankrupt or just wants to sell up their portion ?
    Lots to consider

    Goid luck with it all, I appreciate what you are just wanting a simple life existence with all of this but I think there will be some hurdle to get through first.
    Thanks Beardy, sound advice. What if we wanted to keep livestock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    Thanks Beardy, sound advice. What if we wanted to keep livestock?
    If the property is zones environmentally sensitive or an environmental protection zone you may not be allowed to run livestock on the property.
    All of this information would be available on the council website if you can find out the zoning of the property you are interested in.

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    Paddy was asked why he kept banging his head against a brick wall, his reply....it feels good when I stop, in other words go to the council and ask the obvious questions then you know the parameters that you have to work with (if its feasible within their parameters) then start working up your proposal for a submission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwbuild View Post
    Paddy was asked why he kept banging his head against a brick wall, his reply....it feels good when I stop, in other words go to the council and ask the obvious questions then you know the parameters that you have to work with (if its feasible within their parameters) then start working up your proposal for a submission.
    Ok. It’s been done before so I assume it’s feasible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    I appreciate what you’re saying but with 20 interested friends each chipping in, say, $100K, that’s two million which I hope puts our ideal plot within reach.

    Transportability, yes, in principle they have that. No wheels but they could be lifted off the ground onto a flatbed truck without damage.

    Do join us, Paul. 
    Manupatree

    In the light of further information please disregard my concerns on the financial front .

    Thanks for the offer, but one block is probably enough for me.

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    I had meant to comment on the building materials. For the house the frame was Cypress pine and the roofing timber Ironbark. The studio internal framing was cypress pine. So a big tick for Cypress Pine: Not absolutely white ant resistant, but as close as you can get without going to steel.

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    Manupatree,

    Spend some time reading about multiple occupancies by community title. Appropriate planning rules exist to allow such developments but considerable $$ needed to launch a new one lawfully. Unlawful multiple occupancies just annoys neighbours and in the country neighbours actually count.

    Once you’ve read about MO’s then book a meeting with a consulting town planner and ask the how to do what you like. This is worth every cent.
    It will save you heaps of time researching and let you ask questions and receive informed and relevant answers. Good advice costs money.

    If needed, drive down to Mullumbimby and peruse the many options to buy into such schemes in the region and around northern NSW. Shares in MO’s are sold like strata titled flats in real estates.

    There are plans and rules around development in rural zones. Just because it’s the country doesn’t mean you can do what you want. All communities set rules and councils are the arbiters of those everywhere. Certainly my experience has been that in rural communities working outside the rules often leads to greater kickback than in urban areas.

    Lastly, the house design and style is the least difficult part of such ventures and should sit well behind learning about how to do the lawful occupation part.

    Good luck!



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