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    Quote Originally Posted by elver View Post
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    Spend some time reading about multiple occupancies by community title. Appropriate planning rules exist to allow such developments but considerable $$ needed to launch a new one lawfully. Unlawful multiple occupancies just annoys neighbours and in the country neighbours actually count.

    Once you’ve read about MO’s then book a meeting with a consulting town planner and ask the how to do what you like. This is worth every cent.
    It will save you heaps of time researching and let you ask questions and receive informed and relevant answers. Good advice costs money.

    If needed, drive down to Mullumbimby and peruse the many options to buy into such schemes in the region and around northern NSW. Shares in MO’s are sold like strata titled flats in real estates.

    There are plans and rules around development in rural zones. Just because it’s the country doesn’t mean you can do what you want. All communities set rules and councils are the arbiters of those everywhere. Certainly my experience has been that in rural communities working outside the rules often leads to greater kickback than in urban areas.

    Lastly, the house design and style is the least difficult part of such ventures and should sit well behind learning about how to do the lawful occupation part.

    Good luck!



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    The practicalities are the fun part and relevant to this forum, but yes, seems they’re a long way off. Easier buying a plot somewhere like PNG and cutting out the ridiculous red tape. Our country is overregulated.
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    In addition to the difficulties of such a venture there is also a time component. Nothing happens at the speed of light in government circles and during this period some of the "Commune" may become despondent, disenchanted, thoroughly p****d off etc. etc.. They may then pull out. I don't mean to be negative, but they should be warned at the outset.

    Our block took about a year to go through because of the combination of titles and the surveying of an easement for access. I also heard that there were rumours of corruption and nothing got approved without a small consideration being applied. That was the vendors problem more than mine. However, the town planner did leave under a cloud a little while later and I remember the real estate man saying that somebody will probably shoot the town planer. At the timeI didn't understand the comment and only appreciate the situation much later on after the sale was completed. I don't think blatant corruption would be the same issue today as such things are a little more difficult to disguise.

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    Sorry, I thought you were just seeking to locate one Tiny House. Seeing you wish to start another country you are obliged to seek permission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustynail View Post
    Sorry, I thought you were just seeking to locate one Tiny House. Seeing you wish to start another country you are obliged to seek permission.
    Haha! That’s exactly it actually, I do wish to start another country. I suppose if we had our own standing army we could just see off any council reps. If I buy a piece of Australia then it doesn’t belong to Australia any more, but to our own independent free state. We’d be testing a precedent to pave the way for other breakaway states. An interesting option to consider with none of us dependent upon the much larger country surrounding us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elver View Post
    Spend some time reading about multiple occupancies by community title. Appropriate planning rules exist to allow such developments but considerable $$ needed to launch a new one lawfully. Unlawful multiple occupancies just annoys neighbours and in the country neighbours actually count.

    If needed, drive down to Mullumbimby and peruse the many options to buy into such schemes in the region and around northern NSW. Shares in MO’s are sold like strata titled flats in real estates.
    I think this is a wonderful idea however the pitfalls begin once the number of occupants exceeds two. Firstly the neighbours have to be convinced that the land use won't affect their amenity. Elver is spot on; upset the locals and you've got trouble. Anything from the local brigade prioritizing which properties to protect, to noxious weed control, and everything in between, especially if they see your activity reducing the value of their property.

    Do it yourself is a long and hard road in planning law and re-zoning is close to top of the list. The first port of call is a good town planner. The cost of an initial consultation would be money well spent to save a lot of frustration and heartache.

    It's very important to choose the right entity to own the land and regulate occupancy. Dissention and dispute resolution are key factors to consider when dealing with multiple occupancies and personal territory is a powerful driver of people's attitudes. Various NSW laws include strata title, company title, community title and the landlord & tenant act. All have their own advantages and disadvantages.

    The benefits of affordable housing, sustainability, a light footprint on the land and all that it encompasses are excellent selling points in the quest for planning approval.

    You have a great idea to promote and sell. Good luck with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    We’d be testing a precedent to pave the way for other breakaway states. An interesting option to consider with none of us dependent upon the much larger country surrounding us.
    Actually, not quite a precedent:

    You may have heard of the Hutt River Province, presided over by King Leonard, in WA.

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    Perhaps we could see a small portion of land West of Brissy secede the Commonwealth of Australia! All hail: King Manupatree (associated fanfare and drum rolls followed by multiple miscellaneous small arms gun fire, two air rifles and one shanghai).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Actually, not quite a precedent:

    You may have heard of the Hutt River Province, presided over by King leonard, in WA.

    Australia - Wikipedia

    Perhaps we could see a small portion of land West of Brissy secede the Commonwealth of Australia! All hail: King Manupatree (associated fanfare and drum rolls followed by multiple miscellaneous small arms gun fire, two air rifles and one shanghai).



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    Haha! Yes, I was thinking of the Hutt River Province when I wrote that but couldn’t remember the name. Watch this space!
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    As I’ve said, this is a long-term project, maybe 10-20 years or when none of us has dependent children, so my current aim is to stoke enthusiasm with the houses and the way we’ll live. The red tape and legalities can wait, but it’s been very useful to learn on this thread how difficult they may be. Thank you to all who have contributed.
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    They are just another form of caravan.
    Experienced in removing the tree from the furniture

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod1949 View Post
    They are just another form of caravan.
    and if you want to build a caravan park, you need council approvals

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    Set up as a new church compound

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod1949 View Post
    They are just another form of caravan.
    Yes, much like a penguin is just another form of parrot and a banana another form of apricot.
    Quote Originally Posted by poundy View Post
    and if you want to build a caravan park, you need council approvals
    As you'll no doubt have read above, I do indeed plan to separate poor families from their hard-earned cash so they can live among complete strangers for two weeks every summer.

    If you can't be bothered to read the thread or you have comprehension issues then it's probably best you don't comment at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal View Post
    Set up as a new church compound
    No doubt there'd be tax exemptions for that but this isn't a business, and besides, we're an ungodly bunch and it'd be hard to fake it.
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    Actually a banana is a herb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manupatree View Post
    If you can't be bothered to read the thread or you have comprehension issues then it's probably best you don't comment at all.
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    I have read the whole thread, along the way....
    The OVERWHELMING current of your conversation has been about what you can do to avoid getting approval - so yet again I just wanted to point out that irrespective of what you think, or how much spin it gets, you will need approval.....

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