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Thread: Titebond II - Shelf life?
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18th February 2011, 09:45 PM #1
Titebond II - Shelf life?
I've read comments here before that hint that Titebond loses its effectiveness after a while. The Titebond website gives a shelf life of 12 months.
Does anyone have any experience with deteriorating performance with Titebond? I'm about to do my first serious glue up, and I don't want it to fall apart...Cheers, Richard
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18th February 2011, 10:08 PM #2
G'day Richard,
Then you get into "how long was it on the shelf before I bought it"......I dunno how that goes, or how the bottle was treated before you get to buy it.
I'm getting to be a bigger fan of hide glue as I go on.
At least we know its been around for a long time.....and that the joints last.
Not so a glue that was chemically invented in the 20th century.
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18th February 2011, 10:12 PM #3
I was thinking about hide glue, but to be honest it'd be one more complication on top of the others, so I might just buy another bottle of Titebond, and save the old stuff for other people's furniture...
Actually I'm waiting for the next time I go back to the UK, so I can steal Dad's glue pot.Cheers, Richard
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18th February 2011, 10:51 PM #4
Producers of products with shelf or usage life typically have a production or expiration date code printed on the container, sometimes readable by humans, sometimes not - even milk and eggs. Usually, you need to contact the manufacturer to learn the secret formula for interpreting the batch identifier.
FWIW, EEE Ultrashine doesn't have a batch identifier, unless it's been worn off.
Cheers,
JoeOf course truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense. - Mark Twain
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18th February 2011, 11:07 PM #5
I have always bought titebond etc in 4ltr lots and most of the time I get through it but I have decided that from now on I will just buy smaller lots more frequently (I always write the date on when I buy it too) I now just buy Selleys Aquadhere Exterior, not many places in Newcastle if any stock titebond so Bunnings is 2min away and always has pretty fresh looking supplies. I figure any of my jobs is worth a new $16 bottle of glue. I did destruction tests a while back and Aquadhere was as good as Titebond so I'm happy to use either.
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19th February 2011, 07:49 AM #6
Thanks, CH. Good practical advice as always.
Cheers, Richard
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19th February 2011, 12:28 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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Richard, I see you live in Brisbane - I'm a little further north but your weather will be similar to mine.
On a day like today where the max temperature is supposed to be 32C - in the shed it will be up as high as 37-40C depending on where your shed is located and whether it is open or not. I have had glues go off, spirit stains disappear, waxes separate, masking tape lose its stick - you get the picture - Problem was solved by getting hold of a styrene ESKY - the largest I could find as well as a vegie box from the corner store - coated both in a glue wash to harden them up slightly - now all glues, tapes, waxes, stains etc are stored in them and appear to last and stay fresher for longer.
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19th February 2011, 01:16 PM #8Member
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Shelf life
G'day y'all,
I had a bottle of Titebond III in the shop that was probalby six months old when I shut down the shop. That was two year s ago. I just used it to edge bond pieces of 3mm thick Walnut and Maple. The glue is still stronger than the wood.
For what is worth.
Regards
Joe
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19th February 2011, 02:23 PM #9
Hi Jredburn
I'm sure a lot of it is still good but for me when I'm selling some of my pieces for a lot of money and some of them end up thousands of miles away I don't want to run the risk for the price of some new glue. If it is just something for home I don't mind using some of the older glue. And as stated above we don't always know how long its been sitting in the store as stock.
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19th February 2011, 02:44 PM #10SENIOR MEMBER
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CH's tests failed to use correct clamping pressures so they are not a proper comparison of the glues.
Did some laminating the other day with 18 month old Titebond III, clamped them properly and then tried breaking the off cuts, 100% tearout..
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19th February 2011, 03:07 PM #11
What test failed, all my test passed with flying colours all the glues I tested had almost 100% tear out on all 10 tests.
I looked into clamp pressure with the manufactures and most of them you have to dig deeply to even find it so I tested under what I thought were "normal" conditions of firm hand tight clamps that most people I know use.
PS sorry 8 out of 10 were good (all the pvcs) the two tests with polyurethane failed on the type of test I performed
but would be very usefull on other joints.
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26th February 2011, 03:52 PM #12
Something I saw on the wood whisper web site. When the glue becomes thick and comes out a little less runny then it is time to put that in the bin, so to speak.
The bottles that I purchase have only been the small size to ensure that what I have stays fresh. When I am close to finishing the bottle I go out and purchase another bottle.
Now that would be a good idea but for some reason I have an extra bottle that I found in the wardrobe next to the business shirts? Of course at the present moment and at the time that I found it I can not think why I was hiding it there?
I think CH has a point put a date of purchase on it.
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28th February 2011, 12:08 PM #13Senior Member
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I've never had an issue with shelf life, but I did just learn what happens when you leave it in a shop that drops below freezing!
Even bringing it into the house to warm up didn't bring it back to life.
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28th February 2011, 12:19 PM #14
I use Tightbond III, but won't use it after a year just in case. The shelf life depends on which shelf it's been sitting on. Temperature can destroy it.
For what it's worth, Tightbond glues do have a coded date of manufacture on them...:
The first number is the final digit, of the year in which the glue was produced. So 8 would be 2008, 9-2009...
The following letter represents the month in which the glue was produced.
A=January B=February...
"I" isn't used, as it can be confused with the number one.
The rest of the code can be ignored.
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1st March 2011, 08:57 PM #15
Ok, good advice, so I'll go and buy some new stuff when I'm ready to glue up. We're in the throes of trying to buy a house, so it might be a while.
Why does life keep getting in the way of woodworking? Ooh I think that's my new signature!Cheers, Richard
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