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Thread: Tool quandary
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12th October 2010, 05:42 PM #1
Tool quandary
Many years ago whilst experimenting with the many wood carving and shaping discs available for angle grinders, I came across the "rotary chisel" (a 100mm steel disc with 3 carbide teeth)
it's one of my favorite and most used gadgets and after a dozen years it's on it's last legs.
Of course they don't seem to be available any more...
Question 1... does anyone know if they are still around...or know the wherabouts of the original manufacturer
Question 2....If they are off the market and unpatented and I can't find the original manufacturer...would it be kosher to have some made?
I've asked a toolmaker mate and he says that set up costs and economies of scale would mean that I'd need to get about 40-50 made to make it worthwhile..
consequently, I would need to sell some to recoup costs.....(there would be no problems selling them btw)
There would be no legal problems as the item is unpatented....however there is an ethical dilemma and I would much prefer to deal with the maker......if I could find them
what if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?
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12th October 2010, 06:24 PM #2
Is it like the industrial woodcarver or the tuff cut on this page? Would they do?
Cheers
Michael
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12th October 2010, 06:51 PM #3
yep... both great tools mic...and I've used them both.
the arbortech industrial (because of the centrifugal force of it's solid machined arbour) always felt like I needed to have a bit of a wrestle with it.
The "tuff cut" was similar to the "rotary chisel" but had a slightly larger diameter, a slightly different tooth shape, and it had a pressed metal offset arbour...it just seemed a bit rougher on the cut...and a bit more kickback.
maybe I just got used to the "rotary chisel" after many years of use...but I still reckon it was the best , safest and most versatile wood shaper on the market.
what if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?
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12th October 2010, 07:12 PM #4
I sort of thought you would have used them. I had a bit of a poke around and found these called rotary chisels, not sure if they are the same as your old one though. From Saint Gobain abrasives, can't find them on the Australian site though.
Cheers
Michael
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13th October 2010, 08:54 PM #5
Well done! Were yours carbide Underfoot? The St Gobain don't appear to be.
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13th October 2010, 09:39 PM #6
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13th October 2010, 09:54 PM #7
So how do you sharpen them?
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14th October 2010, 05:30 AM #8
Dang mic-d..that's them... how'd you find em?...your google must be different to mine...thanks
I use one of those small "fine" diamond sharpeners from carba-tec...although I don't sharpen often.....it's a roughing out tool.
BTW..I'd recommend their 100mm "course" blade over just about any other roughing out disc I've ever used
what if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?
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14th October 2010, 08:48 AM #9
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14th October 2010, 09:53 AM #10
We had the fine one here in sculpture dept, and it did work really well, certainly easier to handle than the earlier Arbortech, and cheaper. The latest version of the Arbortech (Industrial) is pretty good though.
underfoot, and maybe other people with experience with these things, may be able to help here. We've just come across a pretty serious safety issue using the woodcarving disc on Metabo angle grinders, and have contacted the company over it. The switch is on the top of the grinder body, a sliding type, and not covered by any plastic boot. It gets very quickly filled with wood chips and won't allow you to turn it off! And sure enough, wandering back to the power point with an extension lead in tow to shut it down has just resulted in an injury of a student. WH&S are loving this! I've also found that the shaft lock button has a similar problem, but not a safety concern. I'm thinking of swapping brands of grinder, I seem to recall that Dewalt have a paddle type switch underneath which will help, but its a shame as the Metabo is a very good tool otherwise.
What brand of angle grinder do you use?
Cheers,Andy Mac
Change is inevitable, growth is optional.
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14th October 2010, 12:01 PM #11
Yep.. the makita that I use the disc on has the same problem, a top mounted sliding switch that pivots forward to lock....the gap under the switch fills up and jams in the on position.
I don't have a real problem, I keep an eye on it and blow it clean before it clogs, but I would'nt want students to be caught out.
My only suggest would be to get a new angle grinder with a different switch (although not a rear mounted one)
what if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?
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15th October 2010, 10:45 AM #12
Further to the problem I've encountered with the woodcarving attachment, I just read the small print in the owners manual for the grinder. It said "Do not attach a saw chain woodcarving blade or a toothed saw blade", but was about the supposed kickback issue, nothing to do with chips and dust causing problems. Is the rotary chisel or the Industrial Arbortech classed as a toothed saw blade?! There is very little chance of kickback the way I see it anyway, both a smooth cutting.
Cheers,Andy Mac
Change is inevitable, growth is optional.
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15th October 2010, 05:55 PM #13
So, where to buy those rotary chisels from?
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19th October 2010, 08:00 PM #14
I sent an email to the website with the rotary chisel and the reply was that they are no longer manafuctured. Any one tried these:
KATools Power Tool Accessories, About Tandem Combinations for Angle Grinders, 7 Combination Uses
King Arthur Tools Lancelot & Squire Wood Carving Discs - Woodcraft.com
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19th October 2010, 09:43 PM #15
Yes. They're on the other side of town here. Arthur (Aveling) is a transplanted Aussie. I use it in a dedicated RA grinder with a paddle switch (aka deadman switch); a separate safety button (like on an electric chain saw), and NEVER use the trigger lock. More for convenience but also for safety, I use another RA grinder with a sliding switch for metal cutting discs. A benefit of the deadman trigger is that it can coast to a stop before it penetrates too far into meat. DAMHIKT.
With practice, I can use the Lancelot to produce a finish almost as good as a belt sander. Since it's a small chain saw, it can be sharpened the same way.
Cheers,
JoeOf course truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense. - Mark Twain
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