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    Quote Originally Posted by tdrumnut View Post
    I would like to see something along the lines of recycling old timber and the use of sustainable timber in the program, the more we incourage it the the quicker it will happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by dr4g0nfly View Post
    Too many programmes of this sort become adverts for the latest 'must have'. So how about showing what can be done with a few basic hand tools, to give the person watching it the idea he/she does not need a workshop full of power tood to achieve something.

    Another thought, you (Australia) lead the world in the Men's Shed Association. They should get a prominent showing, crow about the best you can offer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermit View Post
    Hopefully, they'll be well-known after this.

    tdrumnut- Pointing towards recycled and reclaimed materials will be a suggested source of timber for sure.

    dr4g0nfly- My hope it that we will be in control of the content and therefore prevent this situation arising. Getting back to the bear roots of woodworking will be a starting place and expanding the tool collection should be a natural progression as Skills increase.

    Hermit- Will try to do our bit to correct the "Balance of Payments" for the economy in that regard.

    I am overwhelmed with these responses. Great Stuff

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    I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, there's a lot of reading here now, but a safety using power tools segment wouldn't be a bad idea, either, even if it was only an occasional addition to the program.

    It could point out the right way to use some of the more dangerous equipment like table saws, routers etc. and even simpler rules like never wearing gloves when using disc, belt and drum sanders.
    ... Steve

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    Hopefully an MDF and Melamine free zone.

    Non of this "what we can achieve in 30 minutes" stuff.

    Something that actually shows that spending time to achieve a beautiful well thought out project is time well spent.

    Seek out the real professional/high quality artisans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tea lady View Post
    Hopefully an MDF and Melamine free zone.

    Non of this "what we can achieve in 30 minutes" stuff.

    Something that actually shows that spending time to achieve a beautiful well thought out project is time well spent.

    Seek out the real professional/high quality artisans.
    I agree in theory, but MDF is so commonly used now that I think it should be included.

    N.B. I never use it personally.

    (No disrespect intended - you're a far more accomplished woodworker than I am. )
    ... Steve

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    Steve this has been mentioned but I would like to hear an Australian accent talking about Australian furniture styles and Australian timbers. Our timbers have lots of idiosyncrasies - I would like to learn about that from an expert. I would like to see a long project reproducing a fine piece of furniture from our past, not necessarily colonial though that would seem a logical starting point. Ross.

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    Some basic techniques - eg how to cut a mortise using a chisel, techniques of cutting out a dovetail (showing step by step rather than an expert do one which is all over while you blink)

    tool care and maintenance - sharpening, rust prevention and suchlike

    tool making - the Vespers, Harold and Saxon etc of this world - plus the expert DIY brigade eg Derek et al

    Turning?

    what to look for in a good tool without the elitism - comparisons of the new steels v the hss etc

    viewers gallery?

    I nearly forgot finishing - how to do it properly and how to rectify mistakes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermit View Post
    I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, there's a lot of reading here now, but a safety using power tools segment wouldn't be a bad idea, either, even if it was only an occasional addition to the program.

    It could point out the right way to use some of the more dangerous equipment like table saws, routers etc. and even simpler rules like never wearing gloves when using disc, belt and drum sanders.
    It is OK for a presenter to quickly use a tool, but a segment an episode on how to use different tools (both hand and power) plus Safety would be a plus. Most of the current show if they have any "how to" are too rushed. Often you need to start with basic operation and move to more advanced skills.

    Perhaps the theme of the first series could be on assembling a basic work shop and how to use the tools within. By the end (of lets say 13 weeks) the workshop has a bench, vices and basic tools, saws, drills, plane, and maybe router, or sander and perhaps a dust collecting method.

    Just food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermit View Post
    I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, there's a lot of reading here now, but a safety using power tools segment wouldn't be a bad idea, either, even if it was only an occasional addition to the program.

    It could point out the right way to use some of the more dangerous equipment like table saws, routers etc. and even simpler rules like never wearing gloves when using disc, belt and drum sanders.
    Quote Originally Posted by tea lady View Post
    Hopefully an MDF and Melamine free zone.

    Non of this "what we can achieve in 30 minutes" stuff.

    Something that actually shows that spending time to achieve a beautiful well thought out project is time well spent.

    Seek out the real professional/high quality artisans.
    Quote Originally Posted by wattycoo View Post
    Steve this has been mentioned but I would like to hear an Australian accent talking about Australian furniture styles and Australian timbers. Our timbers have lots of idiosyncrasies - I would like to learn about that from an expert. I would like to see a long project reproducing a fine piece of furniture from our past, not necessarily colonial though that would seem a logical starting point. Ross.
    Hermit- Definitely, also a word of warning at the start and whenever a power tool is about to be used a screen pop-up repeating the warning. Not unlike Norm Abram introduction.
    Re Drum sander "DON'T WEAR AN OPEN SHIRT NEAR IT EITHER!!"

    tea lady- I agree and don't want to get into the trick camera situation "Here's a tree, buy a $12.00 Jigsaw..Here's a 3 piece Bedroom Suite and a 8 place Dinning room Setting...NAH. Our plan would be from conception to completion with ALL the steps. May use MDF but only as sacrificial boards would that be OK??

    wattycoo- Lets face it Ross sometimes there is only "Australian Superlatives" will do when dealing with some of our unique species. Also like you
    I'm over international presenters doing Australia. My promise therefore is... we may not be polished but we'll be authentic.

    Sorry if you're sick of me thanking you every post but it is so helpful to get wisdom from those that DO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fineboxes View Post
    Hermit- Definitely, also a word of warning at the start and whenever a power tool is about to be used a screen pop-up repeating the warning. Not unlike Norm Abram introduction.
    Re Drum sander "DON'T WEAR AN OPEN SHIRT NEAR IT EITHER!!"
    I couldn't agree more. Personally, I always roll up my sleeves as well when using the drum or belt sander. Can't be too careful.

    Edit: Regarding safety, there's also liability to consider, if a dangerous method is used on the program and someone copies it and gets injured. Not sure how the law stands with that type of thing.
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    ...just some off the top of my head prattling...

    A look in at the tool makers and their (Vesper, HNT, Clenton etc) could be interesting and possibly attract an 'advertisement' fee.

    And on that note...advertising/sponsorship...beware of having everything come from one supplier or rmaker. A range of similar tools from various suppliers is better for different budgets, needs and viewer awareness.

    Show off some tools, but show the alternatives as well: "This here Supertron 3000 MkII is an incredible machine and does X, Y *AND* Z for 47 kagillion dollars. Dodgy Bros also have their Thing-a-ma-jig 250 with similar features at roughly half the cost. But here is also a way to get the same results with a mix of common tools, a sacrificial goat and a two beers..."

    That to me is a good mix of technology for the financially endowed or time conscious, and technique for the more traditional or home woodies.

    As for projects, viewers will obviously not be able to keep up and do it in time with the show so downloadable plans and notes would be a huge benefit. Previous episodes and projects should be somehow available in a back-catalogue of viewing for those that happened upon the show/series half way through and missed some vital pieces. Having small 1-2 episode projects would be good rather than one massive job. That's not to say that there couldn't be a big "season project" that's visited in each episode as well.

    Beards. There also needs to be plenty of beards

    Good luck with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    Some basic techniques - eg how to cut a mortise using a chisel, techniques of cutting out a dovetail (showing step by step rather than an expert do one which is all over while you blink)

    tool care and maintenance - sharpening, rust prevention and suchlike

    tool making - the Vespers, Harold and Saxon etc of this world - plus the expert DIY brigade eg Derek et al

    Turning?

    what to look for in a good tool without the elitism - comparisons of the new steels v the hss etc

    viewers gallery?

    I nearly forgot finishing - how to do it properly and how to rectify mistakes
    Quote Originally Posted by Handyjack View Post
    It is OK for a presenter to quickly use a tool, but a segment an episode on how to use different tools (both hand and power) plus Safety would be a plus. Most of the current show if they have any "how to" are too rushed. Often you need to start with basic operation and move to more advanced skills.

    Perhaps the theme of the first series could be on assembling a basic work shop and how to use the tools within. By the end (of lets say 13 weeks) the workshop has a bench, vices and basic tools, saws, drills, plane, and maybe router, or sander and perhaps a dust collecting method.

    Just food for thought.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedShirtGuy View Post
    ...just some off the top of my head prattling...

    A look in at the tool makers and their (Vesper, HNT, Clenton etc) could be interesting and possibly attract an 'advertisement' fee.

    And on that note...advertising/sponsorship...beware of having everything come from one supplier or rmaker. A range of similar tools from various suppliers is better for different budgets, needs and viewer awareness.

    Show off some tools, but show the alternatives as well: "This here Supertron 3000 MkII is an incredible machine and does X, Y *AND* Z for 47 kagillion dollars. Dodgy Bros also have their Thing-a-ma-jig 250 with similar features at roughly half the cost. But here is also a way to get the same results with a mix of common tools, a sacrificial goat and a two beers..."

    That to me is a good mix of technology for the financially endowed or time conscious, and technique for the more traditional or home woodies.

    As for projects, viewers will obviously not be able to keep up and do it in time with the show so downloadable plans and notes would be a huge benefit. Previous episodes and projects should be somehow available in a back-catalogue of viewing for those that happened upon the show/series half way through and missed some vital pieces. Having small 1-2 episode projects would be good rather than one massive job. That's not to say that there couldn't be a big "season project" that's visited in each episode as well.

    Beards. There also needs to be plenty of beards

    Good luck with it
    Sawdust Maker- Note taken about tool maintenance, nothing worse than reaching for a tool to find it's been used as a paint scraper or worse. Would like to think it will include unbiased reviews and comparisons of tools and equipment. Though brown bags containing in excess of 7 figure amount could sway outcomes. Finishing would be included in the project builds with finishing options and how to apply/create desired result.

    Handyjack- Much of what you suggest is what we are working toward but didn't think of the workshop set up so will have to weave that in somewhere Love the "financially endowed" bit, can we pinch it?

    RedShirtGuy- Would be good it we can entice some of the fore runner Tool Makers and lesser known ones to give us some of their time and share their passions with the end users. Advertising is nothing to do with my part, I'm happy to say, having said that I think what you mention is very relevant and will pass it onto the marketing guru's.
    Beards ARE MOST DEFINITELY IN.

    Starting to get a real feel for what is Needed/Wanted Thanks as always and keep it flowing.

    Cheers

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by fineboxes View Post
    Sawdust Maker- Note taken about tool maintenance, nothing worse than reaching for a tool to find it's been used as a paint scraper or worse. ...

    Steve
    What you used my layout knife as a paint scraper!


    Actually an important segment ...

    How to get approval from the chancellor of the exchequer for that next vital tool purchase
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    Seek forgiveness after. Never ask permission. The answer is always no. I do all the washing up and clean the bath room, that goes a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    .....

    Actually an important segment ...

    How to get approval from the chancellor of the exchequer for that next vital tool purchase

    Now that would be like the handbook for husbands, it just does not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    What you used my layout knife as a paint scraper!


    Actually an important segment ...

    How to get approval from the chancellor of the exchequer for that next vital tool purchase

    Could do it but the classification rating would be to severe and apart from that it would have to air in the wee small hours when all good chancellors are asleep.

    P.S Your mark-out knife looked like a paint tin opener..Sorry, I wasn'e me, but I saw Ball Peen USED IT

    Cheers

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