Thanks Thanks:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Needs Pictures Needs Pictures:  0
Picture(s) thanks Picture(s) thanks:  0
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 16 to 22 of 22
  1. #16
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Age
    48
    Posts
    2,825

    Default

    take the warning labels off everything and let the problems sort themselves out

    Have just put a deposit on a 4WD ute, better get my bullbar on it before someone tells me I can't have one
    It's only a mistake if you don't learn from it.

  2. # ADS
    Google Adsense Advertisement
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Advertising world
    Age
    2010
    Posts
    Many





     
  3. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Bendigo Victoria
    Age
    80
    Posts
    16,560

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by corbs View Post
    take the warning labels off everything and let the problems sort themselves out

    Have just put a deposit on a 4WD ute, better get my bullbar on it before someone tells me I can't have one
    ......and don't forget to wear your bicycle helmet (you of all people Andrew!)

  4. #18
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Age
    48
    Posts
    2,825

    Default

    I always wear my helmet and it even has a video camera mounted on it now for when some silly bugger decides to open their door infront of me
    It's only a mistake if you don't learn from it.

  5. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Mt Crosby, Brisbane
    Posts
    2,548

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rrobor View Post
    If we look at Queensland today, the state has recorded the worst floods in recorded history. Now a cyclone is about to hit.


    No they aren't, no they so aren't. Take a look at the bom website, there are many wonderful pages there about queenslands flood history. I am well fed up with people claiming every weather event is a "record", like that flamin drought we just had.

    Can anybody prove this is global warming? No. But it caused havoc and destroying tourism. Should we then not lean to the side of caution just in case?


    Not when a greedy corrupt finance industry is driving us toward a crushing tax regime. The carbon tax won't break me, I've got money, but I watched as Hawke threw out thousands of the most vulnerable workers in australia in teh early 80's bowing down to "economic rationalism". I'm not going to stay quiet while working class people's energy bills are doubled with no solid proof.

    To suggest that the city dictates to the bush is plain wrong. If you check correctly you will find old farming methods almost reduced Australia to a salt pan. Without banning certain practices Australia would not be as fertile today.


    Quite right, but inner city yuppies caused me to have not 1 but 3 vpo's on my land. Years ago before they came into effect no one went mad clearing, now strictly speaking I can't even mow without a permission from a Brisbane council beaurocrat. On landline a few weeks back was the story of a bunch of loggers in NSW who had been SUSTAINABLY logging a patch of redgums for 120 years. They were assured they had access indefintely or at least another 5 years, then htey got shut down. Why ? because the enviroment MIGHT change in future and the practise become unsustainable. No proof, no credible science, 30 blokes out of work. It's not like they were clear felling. And don't even get me started on the victorian bush fires and the anti clearing laws. I went through those mongrel things in 93, give me a flood anyday.
    Mining etc is financed not by the bush but by investors, it is a national or international enterprise.


    It's still being throttled by taxes and (supposedly enviro but mostly) mentalists. The majority of shareholders in the majority of australian mining companies are australians either directly or through super funds and the mining industry is the single biggest component of Australia's GDP and THE big difference between our standard of living and comparible western countries.
    This is not an argument about the total banning of bullbars or should not be. Its not a country issue or should not be. It is about stopping the city dweller running around city streets in an armour plated vehicle.
    That is exactly my point. It doesn't matter 2 hoots whether Janie Richwife drives an armoured vehicle or a kia reo. Unless you can prove she poses a threat to other road users your doing nothing but inflicting your prejudices and preconceptions on her, and trying to back that up with legislation. The basis of ALL legislation should be rational proven need but instead it's driven by half truth, faith and prejudice.

    The argument on guns, to an extent I agree. But look at where your USA area’s are. Not some nice dreamy country town, no the shootings occur in the city slums. You will also find that the law reacts, and toughens. The facts you suggest, prove that. So where is the horse with the relationship to your cart.


    That was my point. Poverty and inequity drive crime, guns are a tool which can be misused and legislation should and often does follow need. What YOU were implying is that the US is a homogenous situation where guns are everywhere and commonly being misused. The fact is where they are least regulated and most common crime rates do not follow the prevalence. Mny of the guns that are used in crimes over there as here are unregistered adn illegal.

    Being a farmers son I know the two sides. Also driving the streets of Toorak and South Yarra, I have experience of the ladies driving their armoured cars.


    Yes but my question, and my point, is: Is the bullbar the problem or the driver ? Are you imposing a blanket penalty on everyone who wants to have a bullbar because it's easier than forcing bad drivers to improve ?

    And I THINK that's what others are saying also.

    Identify the problem, understand the root cause, attempt to address the root cause with effective action, assess impact, start over.

    Not:

    Notice popularist movement, think of easy way to appease, implement pointless and inconvenient law, wait till media stop covering story.

    I am not for clear felling, dangerous driving and firearm misuse. I'm all for rational measures to combat all above. I can't see that banning bullbars is one.
    I'm just a startled bunny in the headlights of life. L.J. Young.
    We live in a free country. We have freedom of choice. You can choose to agree with me, or you can choose to be wrong.
    Wait! No one told you your government was a sitcom?

  6. #20
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Eastern Australia
    Posts
    604

    Default

    The root reason most give against the proposal of banning city vehicles from having bullbars is that we should be responsible for self. We should drive better, we should be better trained.
    I read another post on the subject of chopping a finger. “I never thought it would happen to me”. It did.
    Why? Because we all make mistakes and will continue to do so. You can never stop accidents, we are not robots. The person who never had one is not born yet. All we can hope for is to decrease them, and to minimize the damage.
    Seatbelts save lives but they can also kill, the averages though are for seatbelts.
    People registering in other areas. Sure people will do that, have an accident though and they are in it deep.
    I drove for 25 years between 100 and 300K per day in the streets and burbs of Melbourne, I do not talk from some mistaken belief. I speak from seeing it all.
    Few people except police etc did as much city driving as us in our job.
    Measures taken with safety devices, speed traps and the like, has dropped road trauma and no one can argue this is not so. I may not like paying a fine, but it sure slackens the lead foot..
    It is then not only about safety, it is about cost to the community, and cost to the person injured. Road trauma costs the taxpayer billions.
    Who’s fault it is means little. A workmate drove into another car at a junction rather than hit a child that shot out in front of him. Kill a child regardless of where the blame lies and its baggage you carry for life.
    I will not continue the argument on global warming, there is no point. We watch shocking weather conditions increase around the world, as a one off, it means nothing but the one offs are getting very common. Conclusive proof is hard to find one way or other. It causes people to build their own little battle lines to defend to the end.
    Tax is what a government needs to run and maintain the country. You can choose whether you wish low services hurting the working man harder than the wealthy or better services for all. I get sick and tired of hearing about poor hospitals in one breath and lower taxes in the next. Choose what you want but understand someone pays.

  7. #21
    Yonnee's Avatar
    Yonnee is offline Trailer Bloke & Mild Mannered Moderator
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Tooradin, Vic.
    Age
    52
    Posts
    1,885

    Default

    MEDIA RELEASE

    The Hon Catherine King MP
    Parliamentary Secretary for Infrastructure and Transport
    24 February 2011
    CK006/2011
    Pedestrian Safety and Bull Bars




    The Parliamentary Secretary for Infrastructure and Transport, Catherine King, restated again that the Government will not be banning bull bars.
    "Over recent weeks I have received strong feedback through the consultation process associated with the Regulation Impact Statement (RIS) proposing the adoption of an international standard on pedestrian safety," Ms King said.
    "Following careful consideration of the views and concerns put by individuals and stakeholders, I have decided that the proposal is not suitable for Australian conditions and I have directed the Department to withdraw the Regulation Impact Statement," Ms King said.
    "While the Government is committed to improving the safety of pedestrians, we also recognise that bull bars play a positive role in the safety of vehicle occupants.
    "In no circumstances will the Government consider banning bull bars or contemplate any lessening of the protection they provide. We are committed to ensuring that people remain fully protected in animal strikes and other hazardous situations where bull bars play a key role," Ms King said.
    Ms King has now asked Department to consult with interested parties on the options for improving pedestrian safety.

    Click here to view the official press release.

  8. #22
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    back in Alberta for a while
    Age
    68
    Posts
    12,006

    Default

    Hi Yonnee

    bull bars are but the tip on the ice berg

    the road safety brethern have a future vision that goes like this

    is there a reasonable risk that a pedestrian will be struck by a vehicle? -- if yes, the speed limnit should be 30 km/h, or less

    is there a reasonable risk of a T-bone crash (typical at intersections where one vehicle doesn't give way) -- if yes, the maximum speed limit should be 50 km/h

    is there a reasonable risk of a head on crash -- if yes, the maximum speed limit should be 70 km/h

    want to drive faster than 70km/h? -- you can, if the road is a dual carriageway "freeway" and the speed signs allow
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •