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22nd January 2011, 08:04 PM #1
Is there a mechanic who could help get our tractor going?
Th pony club's diesel tractor got a belly full of water when it went under in the floods and with other things on, I only got to look at it today. It's worse than I thought, the fuel tank was full of water, which I have drained. I really don't know where to start clearing the fuel lines and filters and what else to check. I could really use the help of a mechanic who knows more about this stuff if someone could help. We need to get it running to help prep the paddocks for return of evacuated horses. We're in western suburbs Brissie.
Cheers
Michael
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23rd January 2011, 11:16 AM #2
Bump.
Please if you know someone, or someone you know knows someone we'd be very grateful.
Cheers
Michaelmemento mori
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23rd January 2011, 10:22 PM #3
I don't do mechanical stuff, but I'll ask around.
Let us know if you get it fixed.Cheers, Richard
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23rd January 2011, 10:40 PM #4
Thanks Richard. I asked on a tractor forum and got a response to drain all the fluids so I'll get into that tomorrow. Where there was an oil leak, there is now a water leak so I think he is right
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Michaelmemento mori
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24th January 2011, 11:58 AM #5
Drain your fuel tank, even take it off the tractor to do it properly, then flush it with metho, shaking it about over all surfaces. This combines with any water left, then dry it out with a fan.
Not sure about the injector lines and pump, but if it was mine I'd be flushing them through with loads of diesel, disconnected from the head. You'll have to bleed the sytem before you start it up, to get any air out of the lines.
As for the other fluids.... drain drain drain, and maybe use metho too. Change the fuel filter/water trap straight away. CRC any electrical connections.
That's the best I can suggest, good luck!Andy Mac
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24th January 2011, 12:27 PM #6
Metho
Micd
Be aware that the metho of today is ethanol and can remove some types of paint. Most transmission cases are coated in a reddish covered paint which may disolve with ethanol/ metho, this includes your fuel tank. It is unlikely that water has found its way into your fuel pump or injectors as they would be full of fuel at any given time but you will need to drain all lines up to the injector pump and carefully note if there is any water in the system up to that point and replace the inline filters as a precaution.
Water can find its way in through the exhaust system and into the motor. If you try to start the motor with any water in the combustion chambers you will generally bend a conrod or do serious damage in doing so. A rinse out of the fuel tank etc with clean diesolene may save you from some of the problems. If you can get ordinary metho such as in your line of business you should be quite safe using that.
Regards Mike
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24th January 2011, 12:54 PM #7
Thanks Andy and Mike.
Cheers
Michaelmemento mori
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24th January 2011, 01:38 PM #8
Hi Michael, sorry to hear of your tractor.
If I was closer I would give you a hand with it, I worked as a Diesel Fitter for 26 years (very little on farm machinery though).
The advise you have got so far is good.
If the water was right over the top of the engine, it will have a lot of water in it, drop the sump plug out and drain the oil (+ water) leave the plug out for now to let everything drain out.
There will likely be water on top of the pistons. You need to take the glow plugs or injectors out ( whichever is the easiest) when you have all out (one for each cylinder) wind the engine over by hand, you may be able to put a socket on the nut/bolt on the front of the crankshaft. Try to do a couple of revolutions.
Take the airfilter out, this will probably need to be replaced. Get all water out of the aircleaner housing and piping, if its holding any water.
I would drain all oil, out of all components (diff/s, gearbox and transfer case) and replace the oil. Change all oil filters and fuel filters.
Any residual water/moisture will be evaporated off when you start and run the tractor. I would change the oil in any water affected components again after running the tractor, for say about an hour.
Check the battery to see if its filled up with water. Worst case you may need to replace it.
I hope that is of some help.
Best of luck with it, sorry I cant be of more help.
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24th January 2011, 06:16 PM #9
Yep pity you are not closer, but thanks for the info. I drained the tank and removed the fuel tank and lines. Also opened the bung to the engine sump and let out all the water and oil. It looks like the engine went completely under now that I have studied the tide lines on the tractor. Wasn't game to poke around with injectors and plugs today, there is too much muck and crap around the top of the engine. Tomorrow I will take the compressor out and blow it clear. Do you think it would be alright to use the gurney to spray down the engine? Someone should get the operators manual to me tomorrow which will also help.
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Michaelmemento mori
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While you are there give it a good grease as well.
I used to fix a lot of 4wd's that went "swimming".
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24th January 2011, 06:36 PM #12
Hey , thanks for the added clarification.
It's too easy to assume everyone knows what you are saying. On the forum you cant tell by the look on someones face or by the feedback they give you that they are a bit unsure what you meant.
I'll echo with the Geurney, go for it, blast that crud away,
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24th January 2011, 08:50 PM #13
Umm... well I've been asking around...
Here's the most likely reply so far:
Gary is on holidays for next three weeks, Jack Green from GA said he would do it but isnt around till the weekend after next, so if they are still stuck then let me know and we can organise him to fix it for them (he is working up the coast this week and Gladstone next week). He said as long as it wasnt running went it went under and they havnt tried too hard to make it run since it should be pretty straight forward, not sure who will pay for the oil forgot to ask.
if you need Jack to take a look you better let me know what make and model the tractor is and whether they have attempted to start it so he knows what to expect.
So, not really an offer, but if you are still stuck the 'weekend after next' maybe it'll be some good.
Still asking around, so maybe something will come up.Cheers, Richard
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24th January 2011, 08:51 PM #14
Add to the list front hubs too. The gearbox holds 35l (and probably a few litres of water now too). 3 point linkage and all hydraulics take off that too. Not sure if there is a separate rear diff at this stage (edit -nope it's one big transmission case). I was in touch with Zetor Australia today who suggested running it around for an hour or so up and down hills with a 50:50 mix of diesel and motor oil then drain and replace with correct lubricants.
Cheers
Michaelmemento mori
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24th January 2011, 09:04 PM #15
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