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    We have an NBN fibre optic connection to the exchange, as opposed to Malcolm Turnbull's idea of cable to a local node connected to the exchange by fibre optic cable. Installed 4 years ago, we insisted on a battery backup in the NBN box inside the house, living in a cyclone region. This only setup lasts 3-4 hours in the event of a power outage

    The NBN box is connected to a Telstra modem which takes all the phone calls and puts them out as a wireless connection to various phones and laptops in the house. The modem also allows PCs to be connected by the blue Ethernet cable, which is better than wireless.

    Overall, although we pay for a 25MB/sec connection, and this is what shows doing the Ookla web site speed testing, as recommended by NBN and Telstra, we have found that the performace was much more reliable with our old ADSL Copper connected at 8MB/sec, and just as fast. Although the internet speeds are there, the speed of response of the websites we look at ( News, Newspapers etc with lots of graphics) are pretty slow.

    I think that the NBN , from our personal experience, has failed to live up to its promise, and this is only going to be worse as more customers are forcibly connected! And it is a great leap backwards, as we only have a svery short time connection in event of a power loss, unlike the copper wire connection which was always operational
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dengue View Post
    we insisted on a battery backup in the NBN box inside the house, living in a cyclone region. This only setup lasts 3-4 hours in the event of a power outage You may need a bigger UPS, but your connectivity will still be restricted by the laptop battery(s)

    The modem also allows PCs to be connected by the blue Ethernet cable, which is better than wireless. Yeah, I'll be checking the difference after next Monday when we are connected to the NBN

    Although the internet speeds are there, the speed of response of the websites we look at ( News, Newspapers etc with lots of graphics) are pretty slow. Yep, just like dust extraction, it is governed by the choke point. From a crap server you will get crap speeds.

    I think that the NBN , from our personal experience, has failed to live up to its promise, and this is only going to be worse as more customers are forcibly connected!
    Yes, the Fizza version is by far the predominant one (and by the sound of it you are a step below that?), and I reckon they'll prolly end up spending just as much by the time they repair all the crappy copper. Anyhoo, it's what we have for the time being, and better be faster than ADSL 2+ (currently never exceeds 7mbps down, via wireless).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturdee View Post
    I'm confused, we are on the Optus fibre optic cable network direct to our house without a UPS. We get the internet and our landline through the cable from Optus and not through the copper network of Telstra.

    When we have a power failure we still have internet access through our mobile devices as well as our landline through the Optus cable network.

    Does that mean that when the NBS takes over the Optus network we will go backwards ?

    Peter.
    I'm the same as you with an Optus cable for internet and phone. However the cable for the internet terminates in a modem/router and that is powered from the power point. So if I loose power, the modem/ router goes down so I can't use wireless for internet, I have to use my mobile sim. in my iPad or iPhone. I can't access the Internet from my computer. I can still use my landline phone.
    According to the blurb I received, when I get NBN (2019), they will use the existing Optus fibre cable so I can't see much being different from what I have now except slower speed probably - going by other reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturdee View Post
    I'm confused, we are on the Optus fibre optic cable network direct to our house without a UPS. We get the internet and our landline through the cable from Optus and not through the copper network of Telstra.

    When we have a power failure we still have internet access through our mobile devices as well as our landline through the Optus cable network.

    Does that mean that when the NBS takes over the Optus network we will go backwards ?

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    Hi Peter,
    I can't answer your last question, but when I was living in Sydney we had TV and internet through the Telstra version of Optus's system -- both systems were rolled out in the mid 90s, and we picked up Foxtel TV towards the end of 1995. What was interesting is that when cable internet became an option, Telstra didn't know where the Foxtel cable was.
    anyways, long story short, although on cable internet, the phone connection used the Telstra copper network. I would not be surprised if your land line is a Telstra copper wire leased to Optus. You may recall that back in the early 90s(?) we had to choose between Telecom (Telstra) and Optus for our phone services. Ownership of the copper didn't change, Optus just got "free" access to bits of it.
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    My Optus phone line is a totally different cable than the Telstra one. The Telstra one is underground on one side of my property (used to be with Telstra years ago) and the Optus is overhead cable on the other side and carries both phone and Internet. The box on the side of the hose splits the cable into two. One for the phone, the other for the internet.
    i actually have two phone Jacks side by side - one Wired Telstra and the other Optus.

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    Hi Lappa
    my apologies, the point I was trying to make is that, as far as I know, the Optus / Foxtel cable TV cabling used the same technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    I would not be surprised if your land line is a Telstra copper wire leased to Optus.
    Ian,

    In our street we have the original Telstra copper wire phone network underground, the Optus fibre optic cable, delivering both internet and phone services, above ground hanging below the electricity network and the Foxtel fibre optic cable underground for pay TV.

    All built at different times and a bit of overkill but that is a result of the weird government and Telstra policies at the time. We were lucky whilst other areas are still without good provisions of one or the other networks.

    Whilst I'm connected to the Optus cable for both phone and internet I still have the old copper wire connected to the house but not active at the exchange because Telstra, at the time, in its infinite wisdom wanted to charge me an abysmal amount of money to remove the overhead cable from the house to the pole outside. Hence it's still there.

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    Nbn has arrived and in our town. The Node is 405 metres from my house. That 405 metre is old TELSTRA copper wire. I am currently on ADSL2. I've been waiting patiently for fibre optic despite FIZZA making it obsolete before its complete rollout. I've been concerned about it being spliced into the old copper wire. I was driving to the shop a few weeks ago and came across a techie working inside a node. I made myself known to the guy and had a veerrrryyy interesting discussion with him. I asked if being serviced by 405 metres of old copper wire between the nearest node and my joint would impact the speed and reliability of the fibre optic. His response? He chuckled and said, "mate, stick with your adsl2. This (pointing to the NBN fibre in the node) is crap." He went on to say that all the contractors were now being enrolled in training so they can carry out FTTK (Fibre to the Kerb) work. So, im staying with my ADSL2 - at least until the FIZZA switches it off. I can watch streaming SBS and iView as i have unlimited d/l so they can stick the NBN where the Sun never rises! Its a white elephant run by nincompoops who are beholden to FIZZA and his media mogul mates.
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    I'd forgotten all that stuff Peter, but I certainly lived through the somewhat thicker Optus cables going up. I hadn't thought about them being fibre, but I guess it's pretty obvious that they were (what else would they be).

    Now, as an ex pro-photog, I can tell you that overhead wires have ruined many a pic, but at least these days they can be cloned out. (o'course the challenge was always to actually make the wires work for at least one pic - I don't recall ever succeeding at that, although a colleague may have). However, and as a visibly sensitive little soul, I was able to come to terms with the overhead Optus cabling quite easily - I mean what's a single, albeit significantly thicker, wire going to add to the incredible ugliness of a mess of overhead wires that have been extant for 70-80-90 years?

    Answer - not a lot - get over it - and I did. A pic ruined by wires, is a pic ruined by wires - don't really matter how many there are because one is plenty.



    So, where am I going here? Well, surely the existing Optus cabling (which I think was pretty extensive in the big urbans) could have been called in to play for the NBN and Fibre To The Premises, otherwise known as FTTP, also now known as the non-Fizza version of NBN. That might cover perhaps 60-70% of the big urbans, and therefore perhaps 40-50% of the total population.

    You can probably guess the rest. Spend the original $43 bills (I remember the Gillard Govt quoted number well) on getting as much as possible of the rest of the country onto Fibre, and perhaps ask the big urban dwellers for some sort of reasonable contribution for getting the overhead fibre connected to their home (IIRC, the $ask from Optus for Foxtel/Broadband or whatever, wasn't all that high).

    Ask yourself this - as a nation building exercise - to propel us to a future proof situation as much as we feasibly could, wouldn't you (as a big urban dweller with fibre cables right out the front) be prepared to pay say $300 to have your very own blistering fast FTTP connection so that as many other non-big urbans could have it too?

    That $300 could be buried into the actual monthly plan costs and be entirely painless. In our case we are going to save $10 per month by:
    going from Landline rental ($10 plus calls, which we don't make) plus LOUSY ADSL2+ ($60 for 100Gb at a paltry 7Mbps)
    to Voip calls ($5 for enough credit for us) plus $55 for 100Gb at up to 25/5 speed.
    So we save $10pm, and supposedly increase our net speed (we'll see), and that includes $20 of calls which we didn't have before.

    For FTTP I'd be very happy to spend an extra $10 (so $20 contribution per month).

    I've said previously that we haven't yet discovered all the uses for superfast internet because we haven't lived with it yet, and we won't/can't until we do. We can forecast all we like - we didn't know how good the pink cricket ball would be until we used it in anger!

    The very poorest and most expensive engineering is that which builds for our current needs without consideration for the future (which is why we are widening the Sydney F4 freeway AGAIN just 20 years after the last one before the Olympics). And with the frenetic speed of technology developments these days (we are living in an exponential progression since the ~1970s) whatever we design and implement is guaranteed to be found wanting if not obsolete within too short a period of time (20 years? Maybe 5 for the Fizza version?).

    Do it once, do it properly! At least for a decade or so, not just to win political elections and points.

    Ok, going to take a pill now and go to bed! I may even feel a little bit better already.
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    Sheddie, as a point of interest, what results do you get from this speetest site?

    Speedtest by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test

    My ADSL2+ gives 20-22 ms ping, never >7 download, never >0.7 upload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Sheddie, as a point of interest, what results do you get from this speetest site?

    Speedtest by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test

    My ADSL2+ gives 20-22 ms ping, never >7 download, never >0.7 upload.
    just gave it a whirl

    Ping 12ms, Download 19.19 MB/sec, Upload 5.28 MB/sec
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    So, where am I going here? Well, surely the existing Optus cabling (which I think was pretty extensive in the big urbans) could have been called in to play for the NBN and Fibre To The Premises, otherwise known as FTTP, also now known as the non-Fizza version of NBN. That might cover perhaps 60-70% of the big urbans, and therefore perhaps 40-50% of the total population.
    unfortunately, despite tax payers dropping $800 million to buy the Optus Cable TV network, the NBN won't be using most of it. Ref: NBN to abandon Optus HFC network in favour of FTTdP

    Adopting fletty's mantra, the bright side is the proposed replacement seems to be better technology.


    as regards the rest of the discussion
    Coming from the era when 1200 baud was sufficient to co-ordinate all the traffic signals across Sydney, I've never understood the rationale for spending billions of tax payer dollars to give most Australians access to Netflix.


    Gillard's public rationale that FTP would allow medical specialists to work remotely may have been true, but a cardiologist was never going to be basking on the beach in Perth while manipulating a $200,000 diagnostic machine in your house in Katoomba. The equipment costs and person to person engagement essential when a medical diagnosis is not good means that medical is always going to be consulting room to consulting room -- which is some tiny fraction of the total number of premises.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    i pay 60 bucks for unlimited and 29.95 a month for a full service home phone which sits there gathering dust and which i have never used. DODO say i need the phone service for internet which i say is b/s. I only need a line. I loathe ALL ISP's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Sheddie, as a point of interest, what results do you get from this speetest site?

    Speedtest by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test

    My ADSL2+ gives 20-22 ms ping, never >7 download, never >0.7 upload.
    The upload speed is the biggest handicap of ADSL 2 as it prevents anyone using it to take advantage of significant amounts of online storage. That may not be a bad thing in retrospect, witness the loss of images going on at the moment from Photobucket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shedhand View Post
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    pitiful
    i pay 60 bucks for unlimited and 29.95 a month for a full service home phone which sits there gathering dust and which i have never used. DODO say i need the phone service for internet which i say is b/s. I only need a line. I loathe ALL ISP's.
    Naked DSL?
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