Thread: Group Buy of Dust Collectors

Did ya spot the deliberate mistake
GST on total (10%) ($1092+$330)x1.10 [+10%] = AUS$1564

Gets better and better

I haven't been impressed with the whole issue. Seems to be to many issues/compliances to resolve.

My view is if the USA mob want to sell them here in Australia then they either provide a fully landed price (irrispective of quantities) compliant with Australian requirements or set up shop or go through a local Australian business (this way we have a face to deal with when something goes wrong).

I did a quick count and we're up to 6 minis and 3 x 18" and one cyclone only.
If people would like to PM me i'll keep a tally, bit easier than going through 4 or 8 pages of posts. No commitment at this stage, just expressions of interest.
When we have a number we can work out a price

Yes rod1949, there are issues, so i suggest everybody who is interested do a bit of research, Ed is a manufacturer, not an exporter.

"set up shop or go through a local Australian business "

-shops do this for a profit, which will be added to the price, but, yes, you have a face to work out issues with.

But i do agree that not everyone is going to be comfortable assembling these things and installing them and commisioning them.
The installation instructions can be downloaded from Clearvue's website, there's also a gallery and testimonials, so have a look.

Question for Ed, what fan size would you recommend on a 3hp motor - i know that mine is not working hard with a 14".

Originally Posted by hugh reid2

Interesting, $950 is AUD$1042, so it is over the limit. (c'mon AUD$)
I'm trying to find out about import duty, so don't quote me on this
A few web pages gave duty at 5%
5% duty $1042x 1.05 [+5%] = AUD$1092
shipping (?) US$300 = AUD$330
GST on total (10%) ($1092+$330)x1.10 [+10%] = AUD$1675
(depending on shipping cost and exchange rate of the day)

this doesn't include any clearance charges, and distribution around australia.
then there is the motor and dust collection bin and mounting/stand+

think of it as an investment

Any seasoned importers out there?

Hugh, I'm doing this from memory so there are likely to be some errors

for the Great 2005 Lee Valley clamp order

• shipping was about $350 per pallet and there was something like 5 or 6 pallets in the container — I understand that since 2005 shipping costs have approximately doubled.
• Customs duty was 3%
• GST was 10% on the invoice total plus shipping
• stevedoring charges were something like $300

so for a container of gear from Clear-vue
• you might estimate shipping at $1000, say $55 ea (after GST) if there's 20 people in the deal
• Duty will add $30 per $1000 of value
• Stevedoring costs might add $5 to $10 per item


still looks sort of OK

but for the minis, Ed suggests that two can be sent by post to the same address for $33, which looks like an even better deal even if it does attract duty and GST



ian

For general interest have a look at this mob for quality Crompton Greaves and RXM motors.

http://www.roycecross.com.au/product...iable&Variable
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I'm interested in a clearvue cyclone. Can put me on the tally.

I don't understand the prices so well yet. but will lean towards the more powerful systems if all it'll cost is a few hundreds more. underpowered tools are painful.

I will have ample 3 phase power setup soon.

bit worried about motor combatibility etc. If thats a hassel, then one might consider another alternative.

Probably been mentioned before , but how about considering getting some bright aussie here to make them all up for us ? Some steel fab mob somewhere.

A bulk buy to keep him keen and the price reasonable. At least that way we can avoid motor combatibility problems. shipping costs.

Hi tripper,
I'm not an expert, but i've spent months looking at this issue
Maybe you could check out a few fabricators up your way,
You can get drawings from Bill Pentz's site, and take them to a few workshops.
I went that route almost two years back out my way, the small shops didn't want to touch it, and the big shops wanted up to four grand as a one off (would have lasted forever though).
Basically i didn't find the right guy, because i've had lots of people tell me that they can get one made for "a couple of hundred bucks".
I made an 18" galv one, which works ok, but still haven't sorted out filters. (once again, the prices i got were more here than i wanted to pay, and nobody wanted me to use their filters backwards).
I'd recommend that you price all the stuff here so you know if you're getting a good deal or not.
I priced steel fans while i was at it and it cost me less to have Ed post a 14" fan and fan housing than the cheapest fan i was offered in Aus. But once again there are other options (a second hand 3hp an Ebay?)
I recommend that you make a few inquiries, as you may get through to the right guy, (but i found it a dismally frustrating job in victoria.)
As for the motor compliance issue, this whole debate pops up whenever you say 'cyclone'.
"motor combatibility problems" - don't let people tell you it's complicated, it's the same issue if you get the cyclone here or there. The origin of the cyclone makes no difference.
The motor has to be a 50hz, because that's what we've got. (inverters, pulleys, and other heath robinson's aside)
The size of the motor is limited by your power supply. If unsure get an electrician to tell you what your power supply can handle.
The bigger the better.
When i turn on my table saw and cyclone the lights dip twice as each one starts up - i'd never turn them both on at once.
The fan has to suit the motor, too big and the motor may burn out, too small and it won't shift the air.
The tests may have been done at 60hz but the results can be used, just go up one fan size and check the amps when you first turn it on.
Here i'd start with 15" for a 3hp and 16" for a 5hp. (i think 16" on a 3hp would be ok if it isn't run without enough ducting, but i can't give a guarantee)
Not all 3hp are equal, my 3hp saw is rated ar 18 amps, my planer at 12, cheap motors are cheap for a reason and DCs can work hard.
The fan has to be securely mounted on the motor shaft and fitted inside an appropriately sized housing. The "taperlok" that i used is still holding tight (i hope)
I'm going to start my building a new workshop soon (planning gods willing) with 3 phase, so i'm going to start updating everything, not just cyclone (domestic goddess willing), and maybe the chest will clear up, and i won't be continually hoiking up lugies.
And check out the avaliable ones, their ratings are always good for a giggle

ta Hugh. understanding it better. cleared up fans and motors for me.

Good luck with that chest problem. sounds like a PITA.

Does this cyclone group buy still look like a goer ? still waiting on numbers ?

One question I've got is concerning pleated filtered cartridges. I don't remember who said it, but I read somewhere that they get punctured from chips, and clogg up just as badly as needle felt.

Are they really not much an improvement over needle felt, because plenty seem to say their in love with them. Not having to belt DE bags so they'd suck better sounds great. I loathe that.

I don't mind on occation moving a leaver to clean it. but how often do you think it needs doing to keep the CFM up. like every 20 minutes ? too often and I'd imagine it get annoying. Was thinking of buying this you see....
http://gpwoodturning.yahoostore.com...._id=1107374718

one of the main reasons I'm attracted to it is because the units are so thin. around 500-600mm, which would fit nicely in an enclosure outside my shed in a walkway. The commercial cyclone units seem to take up more space than that. be hard to walk around it. Walkways only 1.3m's wide, and I'd like a bit of room for the enclosure door to open as well.

Jake,
Good questions. I think the group buy is building to the point where we're getting close. Rick Wynn got some numbers from his source of about 340.00 per unit. I got another quote which put it at about 320.00 so I think the 340.00 will be a good ballpark number to use in quantities of 5.
Filters: The big advantage of using the pleated filters with a cyclone is that they have such a large filter area (300 sq ft ea = 600 sq ft). When I started up my first cyclone, I used it for 6 months without cleaning the filters and it was still working. I was routing out MDF board on a CNC router and probably produced somewhere between 15 and 20 drums of MDF dust.....and the filters were still working. When I did finally clean them, I ended up with about a coffee can full of dust out of the filters. In other words, with our cyclone, cleaning the filters becomes a non-issue...it takes about 5 minutes every 6 months to keep the unit working good. If you have any questions about that, ask that question on sawmill creek forum ("http://www.sawmillcreek.org/index.php"). There are quite a few Clear Vue customers on that forum that can attest to how well our systems work.

Our unit has a foot print of 24"x34" (609mm x 863mm) including the filters.

Ed

Ed, about your CV1800. Can we adapt our current DE fan and housing/motor(3hp 13.5" fan)to sit on top or run a duct to it?
I dont wish to replace what I allready own, I have modified mine allready its outside in its own enclosure away from the work area, it already has 2X 1200 by 600 PFC's.

Im thinking of using the current shroud/ducting to allow me to have two bins as one would be full in no time as I batch process my wood and can fill my two plastic bags(376ltrs/100gal combined) 2~3 times a session!

you can arrange it however you want

BUT the collection is limited to the room under the cyclone. You can go wider but not higher, and after a point the bags get too heavy (if it's dust rather than planer shavings).

Hugh, is that your setup in the pic above?

No,i'm more of a traditionalist
That's from Ed's gallery, a mobile setup