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27th April 2012, 08:47 PM #91
Just sent an email about that Pac Man. I suspect they are 3mm.
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27th April 2012, 09:29 PM #92Junior Senior Member
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27th April 2012, 09:30 PM #93
Brett,
Thanks for your great efforts.
I'll be in for a full set of chisels and 2 leather rolls, and probably 2 dado planes if they get included in the buy.
Nick
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27th April 2012, 09:40 PM #94
I too appreciate Brett's efforts here - mucho gratias Brett.
I just thought I might mention that super thick blades for Stanley type bench planes aren't always a good idea. By all means buy them if you are fully aware of the tweaking that you will have to do to get them to work - but be aware that they may not work at all in some planes.
Sometimes the blade is too thick for the mouth, and the mouth will have to be filed to take it. There is also the problem of the depth adjuster not being able to reach the cap iron slot in all areas of its arc of adjustment, as it must project through the blade. And, of course, is the cap-iron screw long enough to reach through the blade to secure the cap-iron in place.
Now I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but I thought it would be prudent to mention that these little aspects need checking, for those who are considering a thick blade purchase.
Thanks again Brett
SG.... some old things are lovely
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27th April 2012, 09:54 PM #95
Thanks SG. All good points, and I'm very glad you weighed in with that info. I was aware that they may cause some difficulties, but lack the expertise to say what they might be.
What would you say is the "safe" bet - 2.6mm? AFAIK that was the original standard blade thickness. And so how much danger in going to 3mm? I would have thought not much danger, but 3.5mm might be stretching the friendship.
Would it be a fair call to say:
2.6mm - safe bet
3mm - probably ok, maybe some minor (and fairly easy) adjustments
3.5mm - for the experienced user who can modify the mouth etc to suit
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EDIT: Should have added, for the inexperienced, if you widen the mouth to take a thicker blade, then that's the only blade you ever be able to use (jeez I hope that's right ).
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27th April 2012, 10:02 PM #96
Probably right.
It is hard to say until the blade goes into the plane.
2.6mm is the thickness of the old Carter blades and these are fine.
My post wasn't to ring alarm bells, simply to try to make folks aware that not all planes will happily take the thick blades without some issues..... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
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27th April 2012, 10:27 PM #97
I'd go for 2.6mm. I think the standard thickness was 2mm.
I have a few replacement blades from Lee Valley / Veritas. They quote 0.100" thick on their site.
These blades fit my type 10 no 4, pre-war English no 7, post war English 4 1/2, and my SW era #51.
I'll check for fit in some others and post the measured thickness tomorrow if anyone's interested.
Nick
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28th April 2012, 11:57 AM #98Hewer of wood
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Yes please Nick.
Cheers, Ern
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28th April 2012, 12:27 PM #99
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28th April 2012, 03:06 PM #100
Replacement blade thickness
I have measured some of the dimensions of a few planes that I have, the Veritas replacement blades, and the results are interesting. The problem as Scribbly Gum points out is if the blade is too thick then the mouth may be too fine, and need filing open, and/or the depth adjuster may not engage the cap iron to control the depth properly.
I have a Veritas 2" iron (bought last week, and kudos to Lee Valley for service and shipping) and a 2 3/8" iron bought 18 mths ago. Of interest is that although the quoted thickness seems to be 0.100" (or 2.5mm nominal) on their website, the 2" is actually 2.32mm thick. The 2 3/8" is 2.5mm thick.
All below were tested with the Veritas replacement cap irons, although I have used original cap irons on a few occasions without problems as well.
The 2" blade works fine in (the 2 values quoted are original blade thickness and mouth opening):
Pope #4 - 1.82mm 4.98mm
Australian #4 - unknown, 5.37mm
USA #4 type 9 - 1.85mm, 4.11mm
USA #4 type 10 - 1.98mm, 4.09mm
English #5 post war - 2.20mm, 4.5mm (although the mouth opening with the blade advanced is quite fine, which may not be ideal for a jack plane; the frog for all these tests was aligned with the rear of the mouth, so some rearward adjustment may be possible to open the mouth)
The 2 3/8" works fine in:
English #4 1/2 post war - 2.06mm, 4.6mm
English #7 pre war - 1.91mm, 4.53mm
English #7 post war (thick casting) - 1.93mm, 4.59mm
#51 - 1.9mm, 4.36mm
So there it is. Hope it helps. I guess if your planes dimensions are close to these and you get a 2.6mm replacement blade you may be ok.
One thing I will add is that recently I was part of a group buy of replacement blades. They are 3mm thick and do not work well in the above planes - they are too thick for the mouth and depth adjuster engagement mechanism. The exception is the Australian #4 where the mouth opening is big, the depth adjuster is the cheesy 2 part pressed metal one. The guys in the Aussie factory must have had more foresight than those in the US factories 120 years ago. So maybe best if you don't want to go through the disappointment - don't simply think thicker is better unless you want to modify your plane mouth and end up with poor depth adjustment.
Nick
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28th April 2012, 06:35 PM #101Hewer of wood
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Thanks Nick. That's very helpful.
Cheers, Ern
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28th April 2012, 07:15 PM #102Member
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Change of replacement blade thickness
As a result of Nick's posting, I've gone back and checked my post war, English made, Stanley #4.
Original blade thickness measures 2.14mm and mouth opening 4.52mm.
So Brett, based on Nick's previous experience with a 3mm blade in this situation, can I change to a 2.6mm blade please?
Thanks, Mark
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28th April 2012, 07:29 PM #103
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28th April 2012, 08:45 PM #104
Shall check my #4 & #5 in the morning and confirm.
Stuff it...I'll do it now... pizzling down rain I might add.
...England Stanley #4, blade thickness 2.12mm
mouth opening 4.4mm
...Aus. Stanley #5, blade thickness 2.12mm
mouth opening 5.5mm
So I'll stick with my original order of 3mm blades for both #4 and #5. If I have to file a smidge so be it.
Cheers
Glenn
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28th April 2012, 08:48 PM #105
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