Thread: Diy

Christopha,

You missed one point.

The ignorant speak louder and defend their ground more fiercely than those who do know.

Maybe I am becoming grumpier but I tend to upset pea brains who have only encountered a concept in the last 10 seconds of conversation but have no convictions whatsoever arguing with someone with years of professional experience in that field.

They give me the impression that I need to study for years and that I need to have decades of experience and that puts me on the same level as them with literally 20 seconds exposure to the topic. They must think I am real dumb and they are so brilliant. These people tend to be accountants, sales people and general brain retards.

It is a big put down that I have trouble walking away from - perhaps I should learn to be more tolerant.:confused:

I have heard your DIY people argue with tradespeople in the same way.

Originally Posted by Wood Borer

Christopha,

You missed one point.

The ignorant speak louder and defend their ground more fiercely than those who do know.

Maybe I am becoming grumpier but I tend to upset pea brains who have only encountered a concept in the last 10 seconds of conversation but have no convictions whatsoever arguing with someone with years of professional experience in that field.

They give me the impression that I need to study for years and that I need to have decades of experience and that puts me on the same level as them with literally 20 seconds exposure to the topic. They must think I am real dumb and they are so brilliant. These people tend to be accountants, sales people and general brain retards.

It is a big put down that I have trouble walking away from - perhaps I should learn to be more tolerant.:confused:

I have heard your DIY people argue with tradespeople in the same way.

Very good point.... Perhaps I shall consider an edit to my post to include loud bloody DIYers as well.....

I thought my suggestion was OK. I mean, it would be better to knock all the old ones off but if you really don't want to do it for some reason.

I like to find out the 'right' way to do things. I'm not silly enough to think I know anywhere near everything. Maybe I cock up at times but you learn from your mistakes.

If Mick told me to do something one way, that's the way I would do it. You get to know who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. But sometimes us nitwits have a good idea or might say something that gets you heading in the right direction.

I agree that people shouldn't mess with their own wiring or plumbing. Painting? Not exactly rocket science. I've seen some lousy jobs but the house wont fall down. Chipboard in a wet area, well that IS a dumb idea.

So what do you suggest? Maybe they need to change the reputation thingy so that it tells you how they got their reputation. You could give someone a greeny for telling a funny joke and it would show on their reputation as 'smart asre factor = 150" or something. Hate to see what mine would say

I guess the reward for accessing and contributing to this Bulletin Board is that you know who is who and whose advice to take and to what extent.

For example:

Silent mentioned Journeyman Mick in regards to building within the regulations, practically and simply.

If I was wanting advice on wooden boats Christopha's advice would be invaluable.

If it was bricks or concrete I would listen to Ozwinner's suggestions.

If it was hand tools, I would listen to Derek or Jake.

Silent is always good for lateral thinking solutions

Wongo for rocking horses

Craig and Dean for tool evaluation and good criticism

Different and AlexS are good for interesting construction techniques

Ryan is good for traditional methods of joinery

Eastie is good for safety with a common sense approach

is great with turning and common sense woodwork

Neil you couldn't beat for finishing.

I have now painted myself into a corner because there are heaps of others with seemingly endless useful skills and I haven't got the room or time to mention them all.

This is fair dinkum and not a pee in the pocket session.

I can understand Christopha's frustration as I regularly see it in my field. Often it is easier to start again than try to untangle the horrible mess.

Why does it happen when there are so many people willing to share their knowledge? I guess it is the foundation of ignorance.

Originally Posted by Wood Borer

I can understand Christopha's frustration as I regularly see it in my field.

Whilst I can accept that Christopha's is frustrated by things that he THINKS are incorrect his vitriolic and unreasoned outburst is IMO not acceptable. The fact that this topic is now spread over three threads in different areas of the board is also a mark of his lack of self control.

In another thread I justified my reasons for advising that tiling over existing floor tiles can be done and that like Silent my advice was appropriate in the circumstances.

Rather than such outburst a reasoned rebuttal by him would have been more appropriate. Personally I think only Christopha is yelling loudly.


Peter.

Ok, why is this Crappe' spread over half the forum? Because our moderators have seen fit to ban me from the renovation forum.... can't enter, can't see... they even deleted the Poll which seemed pretty tame to me..... but I have been wrong before

How did it start? As a bit of fun with another forum member who wants to remain nameless due to FEAR of the moderators! It was done late at night and with a huge amount of mirth. I shall attempt to attach a piccy of the pattern (?)..... childish? probably... (definitely?) but fun all the same....

Why the DIYers? Because the subject IS, and has been for a long time, a pet peeve of mine.

Did I mean to offend everyone? No, not even some. Of those I have upset, I apologise for getting personal, it was a stupid thing to do.

Do I apologise to the moderators? Not on your bloody life!! The ones involved are lily livered tin gods hiding behind their keyboards and don't rate a sideways glance from a Hyena!

OK, now for the piccy attempt.....

The pic shows exactly why the posts were edited.

It is called SPAM..... The very thing that Christopha often comes running to the mods or admin with, usually crying like a Darlect Delete, Delete, Delete.

Grow up Christopha and spare a thought for others:mad:

Neil

PS I was disgusted by your PM and your email. I hope you didn't send them to any others. Stop putting down the people who have behind the scenes saved you and your big mouth from more than one lot of trouble in the past. I stand by the moderators and administrators of these forums and have faith in their judgement, as do the bulk of our members.

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Christopher,

It looks like it might be time to quit while you are ahead. You sure have generated some ill feeling with your statements . Not everyone is impressed with putting other people down for whatever reason, so may I suggest that the forum be spared your dummy spit. I believe you are out of order canning moderators and the many who help make this forum a great place to gain information for all sorts of people including your self. Could you honestly say you have never learned how some thing may be done better or improved in some manner from others who frequent this great forum ?

Regards Mike

Originally Posted by Christopha

..........The ones involved are lily livered tin gods hiding behind their keyboards and don't rate a sideways glance from a Hyena!.....

Jeeezuz C you are right!!! There are people on this board who post stuff when they don't know what they're talking about - go figure!!!

Originally Posted by silentC

I agree that people shouldn't mess with their own wiring or plumbing. Painting? Not exactly rocket science.

Neither is plumbing or wiring. Granted painting does not hold the same degree of risk.

Get to know the basics of both and the mystery is gone.

The funny thing is that I deal with so called experts on a regular basis. The last one only had eight mistakes in his report (not spelling). He had more building qualifications than you could poke a stick at.

Mind you not all experts are the same and I dont tar them with the same brush. I think it is more prudent to give specific examples and highlight them as I come across them.

Neither is plumbing or wiring [rocket science]

No but they require you to have an understanding of concepts and Australian standards that are beyond the scope of the average DIY person. It's also against the law. Painting, on the other hand, can be done by anyone.

Originally Posted by silentC

No but they require you to have an understanding of concepts and Australian standards that are beyond the scope of the average DIY person.

Sorry to nit pick but what is the "average" DIY person???

A recent thread showed a possible relationship between DIYers and employment in the IT industry. Surley these people are not the bottom of the pile in terms of intelligence. You'll also find a high quota of members in their late fifties or older. These members weren't born to the computer age and have had a steep learning curve just to be able to communicate in this medium.

No, the ability to read a Standard (which I do most days of the week) is not limited to the intelliegcia but it does need a common sense approach. The more mature a person is, the more a person is willing to learn to be able to learn.

I said 'scope' not 'intelligence'. Do you know many non-trades people who are conversant with electrical engineering theory and Australian wiring standards? That's not to say they are not capable of being so, but how many of them are? And would you recommend someone undertake wiring their house without it?

The point is, like it or not you have to be a qualified electrician to do any domestic wiring in Australia, likewise all plumbing must be carried out by a licensed plumber. Getting on here and advocating that people do their own wiring or plumbing, regardless of how clever they are, is not a good idea for that reason alone.

Hey Neil,

Can Christopha come in off the naughty step?

It would be a shame if he was banished from the forums forever.

Cheers
Craig