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Thread: SawStop Comes To Australia!
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25th October 2008, 09:56 PM #136
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25th October 2008, 10:05 PM #137.
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I like this one!
"Sawyer needed a short length of monofilament fishing line from his shop. Unable to find his utility knife to cut it with, he spotted his tablesaw. He wrapped the line around both hands and eased the line into the spinning blade, assuming it would chew the line apart. The line caught in a blade gullet and wrapped around the arbor, pulling both hands into the blade. He lost parts of 3 fingers, and also suffered serious cuts from the line as it was pulled tight around his hands"
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25th October 2008, 10:27 PM #138
You could hardly call that one an accident could you?
Idiots removing themselves from the gene pool.- Wood Borer
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26th October 2008, 02:28 AM #139
Not goin' into the whys and why nots, $$s etc.
If I could afford one, I'd have one, even if not for the safety device, but because it is a very nice bit of machinery. As to the safety aspect, as I've said in the past, I just wish the saws that I use to run the beginner woodworking courses on had it. Some of the things I see on the courses (even after an hour just on saw safety), or at woodworking club meets give me the absolute cold willies. Of course, don't think it would have helped the time I saw a hammer handle being used as a pushstick........ (had visions of a hammer being hurled at 200+ km/hr)
The demos are impressive to say the least, and I now have a nice "blade embedded in aluminium block" decoration for my shed wall - thanks Brendan!"Clear, Ease Springs"
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26th October 2008, 02:57 AM #140Deceased
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All that was done on European table saws at the 60th~70th.....I mean, the splitter with the anti-kickback pawls was dropped and the riving knife with quick attach / detach blade guard (crown guard) took their place.
In spite of that, the kickbacks continued so, they invented a new "patent" that, considering the fact that it took the Americans 40+ years to adopt the riving knife, maybe, within the next 40 years we shall see it also on American designed table saws.
The kickback can not be totally prevented but only minimized...if you read the accident report on the link of SilentC you probably noticed that even with the riving knife the guy got a kickback (the second "Letter to a British Magazine")
SilentC
I think that this report is very old as they still talk about splitter and especially, Dado blades that are prohibited in EU since 2000 or 2001
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26th October 2008, 05:51 AM #141Deceased
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I would like to add....
I down-loaded the Sawstop "Owners Manual" and I found something very interesting about the so called "Euro Riving Knife for safety"....
As I understand, the saw has two options:
1. Riving Knife (pre-installed) without the possibility to install the Anti-kickback pawls / blade guard
2. Spreader - with Anti-kickback pawl and blade guard.
The word "Spreader" is used by OSHA to describe what we call - in slang - "Splitter" (same like the slang - Anti-kickback pawls - is called by the OSHA regulation "Anti-kickback fingers"...industrial terms).
"Spreader" is NOT a "Riving Knife" and it's positioned at fixed distance from the blade and only if the blade will be set at full height, it will be close to the blade like a riving knife but when the blade is set at lower height it will be....well, Splitter...
If I understand correctly, when one is using the Riving knife, he cannot use the blade guard (big no, no in EU) and in case of UFO's - or even one or more tooth of the blade breaks....the operator is not protected......on my table saw the blade is rotating at 50 Meters/second (as per the spec) that is 180 Km/h...
Another thing that catch my eyes is:
"No Warranty of Safety"
http://www.sawstop.com/products-cont...w-warranty.htm
Please correct me if I'm wrong
Best Regards
niki
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26th October 2008, 01:42 PM #142Deceased
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Actually I don't give a rat's ******* about what went on in the USA between the inventor and the TS manufacturers, that's ancient history and happened in a strange country and as such not relevant to us here in the great south land.
Neither do I care about what is required in the EU, it's also not relevant to us.
I also don't care if it stops kickback or not, or if it's a gimmick but I also saw the demo by Brendan (the sausageman ) and I'm impressed with the additional safety that this machine gives.
If I was in the market for a new TS and I had the money I would definitely buy one. Unfortunately I don't need a new TS and I'm only a poor pensioner so I have to continue to be extra careful when I use mine.
And so should everyone else.
I would rather see discussions on how to use equipment safely than this ongoing saga and ******* about the Sawstop.
Just my humble opinion.
Peter.Last edited by Big Shed; 26th October 2008 at 01:54 PM. Reason: Removed inappropriate language
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26th October 2008, 01:58 PM #143SENIOR MEMBER
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Take the sawstop device of this table saw, and it is still a very impressive saw, when compared to what I looked at on the Carbatec or Jet stands. It is extremely solid and well built, makes some of its opposition look like cheap tinny chinese saws.
Before deciding what your opinion of the saw is, you need to look at it in the flesh just to see how good it is. Forget about the "hype" about the brake, you never what to find out if it is worth it. (my guess is, if you did, you would be forever grateful.)
Anyone who bags it out without seeing is just proving to the world how big a dill they are.
If after seeing it you are not impressed, fair enough, everyone has their opinion and is entitled to it, but without seeing the saw, you cannot really appreciate how good it is.
I would have one tomorrow if I could afford it (might have to forget about the bandsaw ), and if I never set of its brake, would still consider it money well spent.
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27th October 2008, 08:38 AM #144I think that this report is very old as they still talk about splitter and especially, Dado blades that are prohibited in EU since 2000 or 2001"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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27th October 2008, 01:50 PM #146
The contractor saw is available in Australia.
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27th October 2008, 05:12 PM #147
Saw the saw in action at the melbourne www show and It looked impressive!!!
something that i will consider in the future!H.S.
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28th October 2008, 12:56 PM #150
Crosspost (for obvious reasons)
Video now available on Stu's Shed TV
Bloody impressive in the flesh ( ) I now have 2 of the resulting blades decorating my shed.
Cheers for the demos Ruddigar - I'm sure a contractor's version would be perfect for my woodworking classes!"Clear, Ease Springs"
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