Thread: SawStop Comes To Australia!

Some people are certain they are careful enough they are not necessary. Others recognise they can be inattentive at times and it is good insurance. Horses for courses I guess. Plus, there is that "duty of care" that some employers and schools need to worry about.

Originally Posted by transit

I read a few pages of it. Just puzzled how people can think they would have any call for it.
cheers
Pete

Yeah. Like airbags, parachutes and other 'last resort' safety measures.

No-one needs any of them.

Transit - if you have a spare half hour, read this;
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ad.php?t=68377

It's all been discussed, argued, etc.

"When its all said and done......
















...it's all been said and done"

Thanks Guys
will search thread for 'pushsticks'
cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by jmk89

"When its all said and done......
...it's all been said and done"

not quite...no one said push stick...
Pete

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

Yeah. Like airbags, parachutes and other 'last resort' safety measures.

No-one needs any of them.

How about we stick to fair and reasonable comparisons?

A Sawstop is simply not a "last resort life saving device". The most likely way to kill yourself on a TS is kickback, and it's my understanding that SS does little or nothing about this.

With a TS I have a simple free alternative to save my fingers - its called a push stick. With jumping out of an aircraft I have one realistic alternative - a parachute.

BTW This not to say that Sawstop is not a good idea, especially in certain situations.

Pushsticks: http://www.amgron.clara.net/circular.../accidents.htm

Not saying they're a bad idea, I use them. But even with push sticks, accidents happen. And yes I know you will read it and find any number of things they did wrong that mitigate the use of push sticks. The point is that just saying to people "use a push stick" is not a guarantee that they will be protected from injury.

Originally Posted by BobL

How about we stick to fair and reasonable comparisons?

A Sawstop is not a "last resort life saving device"? The most likely way to kill yourself on a TS is kickback, and it's my understanding that SS does little or nothing about this.

With a TS I have a simple free alternative to save my fingers - its called a push stick. With jumping out of an aircraft I have one realistic alternative - a parachute.

BTW This not to say that Sawstop is not a good idea in some situations.

I never stated that SawStop was a 'last resort life saving device'. Read it again; I called it a 'last resort safety measure' ie - when all else fails, SawStop kicks in.

When all your driving skills fail, an airbag kicks in.
When your plane's ability to fly fails, your parachute kicks in.

The only reason that SawStop would be considered a life saving device is if you were to make accidental neck contact with the spinning blade....in which case you may need to re-evaluate you are using your machine.

The SawStop mechanism does not eliminate kickback, but the machines have been designed to minimise it. The quick change between the saw guard and the riving knife means that there is no excuse not to be using the right tool for the job, and anti-kickback fingers on the saw guard helps too.

Push sticks should always be used with saws. No argument. But on the rare occasion that these break, slip, or your hand can slips off them, your hand is usually heading straight for the blade.

Enter 'last resort' braking mechanism.

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

The only reason that SawStop would be considered a life saving device is if you were to make accidental neck contact with the spinning blade....in which case you may need to re-evaluate you are using your machine.

I can see that happening, especially if you limbless and used a push stick with your mouth

Cheers,

Zelk

Originally Posted by BobL

How about we stick to fair and reasonable comparisons?

A Sawstop is simply not a "last resort life saving device". The most likely way to kill yourself on a TS is kickback, and it's my understanding that SS does little or nothing about this.

With a TS I have a simple free alternative to save my fingers - its called a push stick. With jumping out of an aircraft I have one realistic alternative - a parachute.

BTW This not to say that Sawstop is not a good idea, especially in certain situations.

I disagree that the sawstop does little or nothing about kickback.

A lot of design time has gone into the sawstop to maximise safety including reducing kickback. The problem of kickback is amplified in many saws due to poor design leading to users removing guards and splitters. Splitters often don't line up well or tlit with the blade and don't have a close relationship with the blade such is the case with a riving knife. For non through cuts splitters need to be removed whilst riving knives do not. The difficulty of removing guards and splitters on a lot of saws is well known.
The sawstop not only minimises the need to remove the guard and riving knife but also makes it easy with a no tool mechanism to secure the guard and riving knife. It also has a convenient hook to store the guard or riving knife. The guard is also a narrow fully transparent design to maximise vision and space to use push/hold down sticks.

Originally Posted by silentC

Pushsticks: http://www.amgron.clara.net/circular.../accidents.htm

Not saying they're a bad idea, I use them. But even with push sticks, accidents happen. And yes I know you will read it and find any number of things they did wrong that mitigate the use of push sticks. The point is that just saying to people "use a push stick" is not a guarantee that they will be protected from injury.

Thanks for the link SilentC
Makes for sober reading
Pete

I can only see one failing with the saw stop brake device....I can't hook one up to my triton.


Thanks for the demo today Brendan, it is very impressive

Originally Posted by Geoff Dean

I can only see one failing with the saw stop brake device....I can't hook one up to my triton.

...or cut "finger" joints ...

Lots of very impressed onlookers at the show. If you get the chance, have a look at the demo, then, when the next demo is done, look at the faces of the onlookers. Some of them are priceless.

Hot goss: Brendan was caught pulling a suspicious looking sausage with a little hole in it out of his pocket and trying to drop it into Astrid's handbag .




Brendan deserves a medal for the crap he had to put up with over the last few days (sorry mate, won't do it again )