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Thread: recording your old vinyls
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27th August 2007, 12:45 PM #31
Makes sense.
I guess when I was learning about these things, CDs were quite new. I was doing a sound engineering course and the lecturer went through the theory and explained why (in his opinion) a digital recording was never as good as analogue - primarily talking about magnetic tape vs. digital sampling. It made sense to me at the time - basically you have a lot more 'activity' to capture at the higher end of the frequency range than at the low, because of the speed of oscillation of the sound wave - so at a given sampling rate you are capturing more information at the lower end - multiple sample points along the wave = a smoother transition. His reasoning was that the 'bar graph' charting of the wave was what caused the harshness of the top end.
CDs are sampled at 44kHz, which means that the highest frequency they can reproduce is 22kHz and I believe that the electronics are 'capped' to prevent higher frequencies from passing through. That's theoretically enough for the human ear, although some people say they can detect the absence of higher frequencies in digital recordings. I'm not one of them!
From my reading, the frequency response of the average CD player and LP player is roughly the same: 20Hz-20kHz for a CD and 30Hz to 20kHz for an LP. Magnetic tape is a lot wider, but again, whether people can really hear it or not is debatable."I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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27th August 2007, 02:33 PM #32
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I agree.
My learning was along time ago as well.
Used to do the control board inspections on the broadcast stations and all the sound gear during my youth.
In the end the final result of recording from the old vinyls will be controlled mainly by the quality of the vinyls and the record player arm, head and needle.
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27th August 2007, 03:34 PM #33.
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27th August 2007, 04:02 PM #34
I thought it was because of what was recorded on them, not what they were recorded on!
Who can remember the last LP they ever bought? The last one I remember buying was Crowded House. About 1985?
I was working at The Music Post in Manly in 1988 when Polygram announced they would no longer be releasing LPs.
I think the first CD I ever owned was a collection of soul and funk stuff - I worked in a warehouse packing CDs and bought a portable CD player so I could listen while I worked. The boss told me I could keep a couple of 'samples'.
The first CD I ever bought was Wish You Were Here."I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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27th August 2007, 04:31 PM #35.
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My last "New" album was Nirvana MTV live, about 18 months ago. (White 200gr)
My first cd was I Robot. Allan Parsons Project (great cd, but a killer on vinyl)
Thank god there are still hundreds of new vinyl releases every month. It will never die
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27th August 2007, 04:35 PM #36
I should add that I sold all my LPs, including a complete set of Bowie minus Pinups, nearly 20 years ago for rent money.
My wife, on the other hand, still has every LP she ever bought. Shame she had such bad taste as a youngster... Bruce Springsteen! Billy Joel!! Michael Jackson!!!
At least she also had the good sense to buy Midnight Oil, Sunny Boys and The Jam"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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27th August 2007, 04:44 PM #37
I should have expresses that as the quality of the vinyl NOW
After all the playings and scratches and dust it has collected.
Still have a complete boxed set of the Beetles, numerous readers digest and a cupboard full of others.
Still have my turntable. Servo drive. all adjustmenst etc (if I can still remember what they are for)
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27th August 2007, 09:30 PM #38
My last new LP x3 was the Beatles Anthology
last 2nd hand LP's Moody Blues to replace those which were leant by some one who should never have loaned them and they never were returned.
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28th August 2007, 01:33 AM #39
Just a few things to consider if you are going to undertake this type of conversion.
It all has to be done in real time. Unfortunately vinyls don't have 2x, 4x or 48x. So you will have to spend a lot of time.
MOst of the older turntables are not suitable to be plugged straight into your computer. From memory there were at least three different types of pickup cartridges ceramic, moving magnet and moving coil. Each one needed different equiisation and adjustment of the input signal level for it to sound OK. This was usually performed by the amplifiers of the day or in some cases a special box that performed this task. Not sure how the modern turntables manage this as most new amplifiers do not have a turntable input(s). If you still have an old turntable and amplifier I would suggest that you use the "line out" from the amplifier to the "line in" of the computer.
The old vinyl's have no recorded info to identify the Album/track info. With CD's you can usually bet this detail via the internet. With vinyl's you will be up for a lot of typing if you want this info for your MP3 player, etc
If you are looking for software this may be worth investigating http://www.nch.com.au/golden/index.html. I have used some of their other audio/dictation software which has been excellent (including support) but so far have not tried this. I understand they are aussie and prices are not exorbitant (some software is free).Geoff
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