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17th November 2020, 11:34 AM #1GOLD MEMBER
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basic setup, what do i need?
hi everyone.
i Dont really use many hand tools as just a hobby woodworker, but i've just splurged a little and bought a set of the Narex cryo chisels. i'm trying to work out what i'll need to go along with them to keep them sharp. I dont really want to buy a tormex system if i can avoid it
so from my basic understanding i will definitely need:
a honing guide
from there i can either go:
diamond plates
or
water stones
diamond plates:
seem to just need the plate
grits dont seem to go as high
depending on size cheaper option
water stones:
need the stones
higher grits then diamond plates
need a diamond flattening plate to keep them in good condition
more expensive initial setup
1. other then what i've listed above is there a reason to choose one over another?
2. can i do most of the sharpening with the above gear or do i actually need something like a tormex.
3. are there recommended grits i should be looking at
https://www.timbecon.com.au/narex-se...abinet-chisels
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17th November 2020, 02:35 PM #2
Read this thread then make up your mind.
The Unicorn method
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17th November 2020, 06:09 PM #3Taking a break
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My system was 2x DMT DuoSharp (XCoarse/Coarse and Fine/XFine) and a 12,000 Shapton to finish. Quick, easy, low maintenance and soooo shiny Oh yeah and sharp enough to shave with as well.
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17th November 2020, 06:14 PM #4GOLD MEMBER
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For a hundred years, all my old man and I have used is carborundum stones, they’re cheap, and they work. My advice is start with these, use them for a couple of years, then venture into the realm of diamonds, you’ll have a much better feel for using them.
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17th November 2020, 07:17 PM #5
Do you have a grinder with which to put a hollow grind on your chisels?
If so, you can get by with a 1000 grit diamond plate.
I started with a 400 and 1000 DMT diamond plate. I found that with a hollow grind I could go straight to the 1000 grit plate without an issue as you remove so little metal. My course plate hardly gets used, and given what I know now, wouldn't have bought it with hindsight.
I used to strop on a piece of hardwood with whatever buffing compound I had, but after a couple of years splashed out on an 8000 ceramic waterstone. Both give great results.
Oh, and you don't need a honing guide. If you want one, no problem, but freehand sharpening really isn't that hard a skill to pick up.
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I would add that a convenient plate-holder is really necessary. If you have all your plates set up and accessible you will tend to go for them without fuss. If they are buried in a drawer and need to be taken out and attached to something, then all packed up and put away later, you will avoid it / put it off.
Ie, think about your overall workflow.
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I was taught freehand sharpening of wood carving tools with waterstones and honing on a box card strop.
Three little things you need:
1. A 10X magnifier such as geologists use. You must be able to see the edge clearly to evaluate your progress.
2. A black felt marker to color the edge. Then you can see EXACTLY where the metal is coming off.
3. Some means of measuring the stock bevel angles. No guessing if you want reproducibility.
I have a small protractor device, originally meant for measuring drill bit tip angles.
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20th November 2020, 09:36 AM #8GOLD MEMBER
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thanks for the unicorn method link.
chisels turned up, i'd say there sharp but not shiny/shaving sharp so will need a final hone i think.
i do happen to have one of those stand style light and magnifying combos and a bevel measuring tool.
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29th November 2020, 11:09 AM #9
All three of those small and inexpensive requirements recommended by RV are invaluable, IME, regardless of your sharpening method.
And of those, the 10x lens has been the most invaluable for me. So much so that I always carry one with me so it is readily available whenever I need it in the workshop, bush, men's shed, backyard or kitchen.Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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12th February 2021, 06:01 PM #10
What did you end up buying? I'm the bling of these two stones, one being a combo stone
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Side note: those Shinto saw rasps are fantastic as well. Such a simple concept...
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The rasps are awesome.
I'm at the disadvantage of being just around the corner from JTA which isn't healthy on the wallet.
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12th February 2021, 08:32 PM #13
Is there any issues with going from a 3000 grit to 12,000? Is there a need to have say a 5 or 6000 grit in between?
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