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24th September 2006, 11:59 PM #1
Some grinding and buffing wheel tips for sharpening profiled blades freehand.
For Paul in the UK. Couldn't post the details to his site though for some reason. So here they are.
Just some more ideas to ponder on a way to sharpen profile blades off grinder and buffing wheels.
Just took a few photos of my wheels and wrote on them as I went through them. I haven't organised them very well I think.. Still should be able to get something from them. I started to rave a bit.
Feel its sharpening that stops people from using moulding and plough planes. Which is a shame, because a well sharpened and set plane is a pleasure to use. And your cutting shapes as well !....lot more fun than a boring old bench plane.
more next post....
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25th September 2006, 12:00 AM #2
theres more of this #### here ...
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...oulding+planes
Thats when I used tool rests. Found since its easier to do without them. Its not as important as it may seem to grind a blade at exactly 25 degrees for instance. Something between 25 and 35 is usually fine. And you can easily learn to guage that freehand.
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25th September 2006, 12:05 AM #3.
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Tripper great stuff I especialy like the idea of the grinder cut off disk. Im going to add that idea to mine... Thanks
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25th September 2006, 12:13 AM #4
G'day Jake,
Another beaut thread, but that's why it's so interesting to read your stuff.
I have a soft spot for old rebate planes etc., and you've shown that it's not that hard to sharpen the profiles with grinder and bufing wheels.
Shhh, I havn't told SWMBO that I've got to buy anothe b/grinder for with hard felt buffing wheels to keep my lathe chisels in good shape. Just got to figure out where to put it. I won't be buying and Abbott & Ashby for it though, she'd flip at another $190, I'll just get a mid range one.
Top stuff Jake.
Damnit, how am I meant to sleep with you putting ideas in my head?
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25th September 2006, 07:57 AM #5
Pleasure guys.
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25th September 2006, 09:02 AM #6Senior Member
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Hi Jake,
I posted a reply on the UK site but thought I'd better post one here too.
I'm really grateful to you for going to so much trouble to post all this information about how you hone your shaped blades. It's great stuff Just printed it all off and now going to have a good read.
Thanks again Jake
Paul Chapman
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25th September 2006, 07:18 PM #7
no problem Paul.
Hope I was clear enough. I sometimes look back latter at what I've written and rush frantically for the edit button. ... some of it just doesn't make sense.
have a good week Paul
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You darksiders....?
You still need the electron....whamahahahahahaha.
Al
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25th September 2006, 10:51 PM #9
Jake
informative and entertaining as usual
thanks
ian
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26th September 2006, 06:52 AM #11
certainly worth a green one or two.
Well done.
Terry
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27th September 2006, 02:59 PM #12Senior Member
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good work trip,
Where do you get the extension thingos for grinders? I want to add something next to my felt wheel.
cheers,
conwood
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27th September 2006, 08:40 PM #13
Them thingos.......I got me thingo from bunnings I think. If I remember right, there mean't to fit a 5/8" thread...and there's left and right handed ones...Big engraved 'L' or 'R' in the side of it somewhere.
Sold with those other tapered attachments for buffing wheels,,,,,I mean the same company made them, but you don't see them displayed as much as the tapered attachments.
If anyones interested in mounting those thin disks, some might have a problem with the bushing.......I had to make my own thin bushing off the lathe, turning thinner those plastic sleeves that come with grinding wheels, to fit the disks....... If someones interested I'll put more effort into explaining it.....get a picture and all that.
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Thought I'd revive this fascinating old thread to ask what's really an OT question. Apricotripper, does a coarse al. oxide white wheel cut anywhere near as fast or as cool as those cut-off disks? Thing is I've been messing around a bit in trying to figure out whether I could safely use a dry grinder to shape bevels... anyway, I put my drill in a vice and attached a 1/4" wide cut-off disk from an angle grinder and tried to grind a rubbish chisel.
Anyway, it worked really well with fast cutting and little heat build up. Left me not half as much scared of dry grinding as I was - I was nearly tempted to try a 'good' chisel. Oh yeah, I set the revs on the drill to roughly that of a slow speed grinder - about 1400 - so that might also explain why it all went so cool.
Was my little experiment in any way an indication of how a grinder with a coarse white wheels might run - or would the cutting be much slower and hotter? It's just that I felt the speed the cut-off disk worked at was great but don't want to get a grinder only to find that the process with the white wheel is slow and time consuming. I wonder why they don't produce 1" wide cut-off disks specifically for grinding tools - maybe they don't last long or something.
Apricotripper, have you tried one of those new fangled blue ceramic grindstones that Norton has brought out?
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20th February 2007, 05:49 PM #15
I like your enthusiasm. I'll try and keep up with it.
Its hard to say whats quicker. It doesn't matter really. I wouldn't put much focus on it. How well you do it, and how fast it takes is all dependent on how much you practise.
Having said that....yes, the cutoff disks seem to run cooler, but thats mostly because its grinding at less an area...and the air can get to I suppose.
As for safety. Well, think about what happens when its unsafe....the only thing that can go wrong in this sense, is when your actually using the cutoff disk to cutoff....if you take it in deep enough to the blade (or whatever) it can grab the whole piece and throw it out of your hands....
So, organise your technique so that your hands won't been drawn into the disk or stone, should this happen.
ummmm....I really think your overcomplicating it all a bit. Could be wrong. You don't have to think about is as much. ....try and keep it simple.
- avoid the blade overheating.....monitor that with a finger right close up to the blade.....the thinner the edge gets the more likely it will burn....so lighten up your finger pressure as it gets thinner
- keep sweeping the blade from side to side or else you'll get an uneven grind over the width of your blade.
- Its all about maintaining the profile of the blade whilst grinding the bevel to a point.
- for the white wheels.....when you notice the blades heat up quicker than usual.....time to think about dressing it.....like switching to a new piece of sandpaper......big improvement after dressing.
No....I've never used a blue stone. Never had a need to. Guessing it wouldn't bring much of an improvement to anything....but I really don't know.
There's lots of ways of sharpening Woden. People argue about it all the time. Including myself.
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