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Thread: Matheson Blades Question..
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17th February 2008, 08:37 PM #1SENIOR MEMBER
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Matheson Blades Question..
How do you ensure the blade is square in the Veritas MKII honing guide?
Got a 8" smoothing plane for Xmas, with 60 odd mm blade.
The end is not square (blade end, about 3-4mm difference, old owner appeared to freehand on coarse grinding wheel), so using a square on registration jig is not feasable and the blade tapers in both thickness and width. The thickness is no prob as registration surface for MKII is back of blade which remains constant, the problem is being able to get repeatable square so honing does not take so long (think the Matheson are harder than A2 to hone)
Clear as mud?
Will post a pic if needed.
Please note, grinders, Tormeks, belt sanders etc are not an option (don't have any, nor intending on buying any.), using Scary Sharp and MKII only..
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18th February 2008, 03:56 PM #2SENIOR MEMBER
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Found a way with a custom wedge.
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21st February 2008, 07:00 PM #3Senior Member
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I have a few old chisels that have been hand ground way out of square, and I can't get them to 'square up' using the veritas Mk 2. The problem I find is that as I push down on the blade (to press it against the stone) the blade then tilts toward, or favours, its previously ground bevel. In other words, pressing down on the blade causes the original, incorrect, bevel to have more influence over the orientation of the blade to the stone than the jig the blade is resting in. Is there any solution besides re-grinding the blade?
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21st February 2008, 10:20 PM #4SENIOR MEMBER
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Think I understand your problem, I use 2 hands holding guide down on roller, then as edge wears away, regularly check with the registration jig to ensure angle does not get to far out of whack.
Spent a hour or so with the blade originally asked about (it is a coffin smoother) and ended up taking about 5mm off, then when the backing plate was put on found it was now too short ..
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21st February 2008, 10:25 PM #5
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21st February 2008, 10:37 PM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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No room, literally, cannot fit another single item in shed, the bench has to hold the table saw and Dust Collector when SWMBO's car is in.
Bought some timber today for a small wall cabinet, it had to go in neighbours garage till its used.......
And as for time, it only ever needs to be done once for each blade, with a average of one plane per year such a purchase really can't be justified.
Scary sharp is very quick for keeping a good edge, about 5 mins..
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22nd February 2008, 06:24 AM #7
Well, you'd know how bad that particular blade is.
But I'm pretty certain some blades will take hours off sandpaper. I think you should still buy a grinder. Your cutting off many options without it. I wouldn't have thought it take up too much space somewhere......what you could do is bolt it off the wall.
anyway, up to you. Goodluck with the blade.
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22nd February 2008, 07:25 AM #8
I'm with Jake about the grinder even though I rarely use one for sharpening. Maybe a file could be used?
Have you thought of drawing square lines on your blade near the edge as you are grinding so that you can correct your angles the instant they are off?- Wood Borer
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22nd February 2008, 12:01 PM #9SENIOR MEMBER
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It took an hour to do, a coarse diamond stone took care of most of it.
As for hanging space on wall, 3 pushbikes, pressure cleaner, mouldings, whipersnipper, hoses, clamps, wood workstands, SCMS etc etc are already there.
Stuff is hanging off stuff that is hanging..
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22nd February 2008, 01:10 PM #10Senior Member
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I can relate. I have 11 m² storage room wherein about 5 m² is for me, and that's it. Even the roof is filled up with skis, ice-hockey sticks, fishing rods, gardening tools, kids' toys and my timber. There is no way any bigger stationary tool would be installed there. Everything has to be portable and moved off the way when necessary.
Still, I have a VEB bench grinder I take off from a shelf and clamp it on the workbench when I need it. With felt wheels, it is quite easy goer even as unclamped. Also, I have a Holz-Her belt sander I use sometimes for bevels grinding. Sometimes Dremel and suitable wheel for it is enough for small tools and with HSS. I have small and mid-sized machinists' vises to be clamped on the table or on the stool for this if necessary.
My pal has mounted his bench grinder on the wall. Takes about 40cm x 25cm area, protrudes about 25cm off the wall at chest level. No problem in using it, because wheel covers are rotated (and are together interchangeable) around the wheels. it is used with shop vac, having a lidded bucket as debris collector in the middle of the hose, before vac.
I can't even consider to get a real workbench with real vises and everything, because it would be too bulky and take too much space. Instead, I have an 1,8m x 0,8m old chemistry lab worktable with thin but rigid legframe, and it is supported in the storage room corner against the wall. But there is maximum space under it, and it is filled up. And the table works well, I won't blame it at all. It is as functional as it is minimalistic.
All the shelves are open. No actual cabinets with hinged doors anyhere. You bet a sanding box attached to a shop vac is a must, like here: http://www.blueangels.rchomepage.com/Sanding_Box.htm
kippis,
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22nd February 2008, 03:07 PM #11SENIOR MEMBER
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Built a vacum box a while back, its the box under the shopvac filter.
Best thing ever, not only sucking away sanding dust, it doubles as a vacum clamp for holding medium sized stuff & most importantly, it fits under the car..
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