Thread: Re-toothing small tenon saw

Lyle,

What Saw set, sets have you got at present?.
Because what you may have may get you buy.

Cheers Matt.

Thanks Marr.
I have four now. An old Morril and an old Morril look-a-like. Also a Somax 77 knock-off.
I've very recently got an Eclipse 77. It appears to have been modified for small teeth. So I think it will be fine.
Derek and yourself mentioned that the Stanley 42X is a good tool. So as I was looking into it I came across the 42 variants.
Got curious and wanted to know more. But I've hit a lack of info.

As an aside I'm hopefully getting a visit from a Bahco rep next week. He is interested in my process.
After the help from you forumites, I'll be able to discuss it with him.
Lyle

Lyle

If you like the pistol grip saw sets, the 42X is the model to use. I call the clamping mechanism a piston but the Disston literature refers to it as a bushing. It advances to clamp the saw plate as the handle is squeezed and before the plunger strikes the tooth. The 42SS is not stainless. I have one or two of these sets (but not the SS. I don't know what difference there is) and I will take some pix tomorrow. In the meantime the following may assist:

Saw set Stanley Catalog No 34 1953.jpg saw sets Stanley Catalog 55A 1955.jpg Saw set Stanley Tools Catalog No 34 1958.jpg Stanley Saw Sets Form P-115A 1955.jpg Stanley Hand Tools Catalog 34 1969.jpg

These describe the sets. The last one for the 42x is dated 1948 but I suspect this is a mistake and should be 1968:

Stanley Pistol Grip Saw Sets No 42SS No 43.jpg Stanley Saw Set No 42 Directions_0001.jpg Stanley 42 Saw Sets Instructions 1948.jpg

Click on the pix to enlarge them.

Regards
Paul

Lyle

The Stanley No.42 is a classic demonstration of evolution. As I said in the previous post I don't have a 42SS but I have the basic No.42, The 42W and the 42X. As you can see in the group pix below, at first glance they look very similar

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The N.42X

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The No.42W

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The No.42

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The fundamental difference is the way the saw plate is gripped. The 42 has a fixed bar so no adjustment, the 42W has an adjustable bar to suit the plate thickness and the 42X has the "bushing," whihc moves to clamp as the front lever is actuated.

The 42X is quite sought after and it may be expensive. There are not many on offer in Australia and the "Buy It Now" prices on US Ebay are well in excess of A$100 when converted: Plus of course postage. This was the only listing that looked interesting as it is an auction and also appears on Aussie Ebay.

VINTAGE Tools Saw Set Woodworking Shop Sawset STANLEY 42X w/Label! PRISTINE ☆USA | eBay

Although the price is low at the moment, it may not end up that way plus there is over A$40 in postage.

While the pistol grip style of setter is my preferred set, many people are very happy with the Eclipse/Somax set, which are both more common and consequently much cheaper.

Regards
Paul

Thanks Paul.
That is excellent info.
YIKES.... I think my Eclipse will have to do.

Who would have thought that saw sets would have so much interest.
Lyle

Lyle

I don't know how I had forgotten about this resource on saw sets as it was mentioned on the Forum, I think by Bill Houghton, just recently.

The Saw Set Collector's Resource - Plier Saw Set #1 (acmenet.net)

I mentioned that I couldn't see the difference between a 42SS and a 42W. Apparently the "W" became the "SS." They are the same.

Regards
Paul

Paul, thanks so much for that link. Excellent info.
I'll read it in depth.
Lyle

Well finally.... Took just over a month to get these. I think the delivery rowboat sprung a leak and the slaves went on mutiny....
Now with the info this forum has provided and some research and googling, I feel confident to giving it a go at retoothing my little saw.
WIP photos will come.
Lyle.

Lyle I Will be eagerly waiting the outcome of the Bacho files.

Please post lots of pictures if your able too.
Cheers Matt.

Wilco. I'll do my best with photos.
Interesting that the DEST are made in Portugal and the needle are made in Switzerland, and Bahco is Swedish.
Lyle

OK. Photos so far from the fridge.... brrrr it is cold in the shed, so only photo of my set.
Both the needle and DEST seem to be able to do what I think I want...
Aldi handle from a file set, angle jig from Veritas.
Template from Blackburn tools. AND heaps of information from this forum.
Too cold to go on as I can't feel my fingertips.
Getting old, getting softer....
Lyle

Looking good Lyle. Are you using a saw vice to hold the saw? Are you happy with the Veritas angle guide?

Yes. It is a Disston No1. I refurbished and repaired it. The pivot point was damaged, so I had it brazed, then I filed it back to shape and redrilled the pivot pin hole.
Works very well.
I just hope my hand filing skill is sufficient to retooth the saw teeth.
The Veritas file guide is yet to be tried, but seems to be good quality.

May I ask which files you chose and where they were bought from?

I've been thinking of getting some for ages.