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26th December 2011, 04:39 AM #1
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shapton pro 1000,1500 vs vs sigma power 1000 vs bester 1200?
Fellow woodworkers, I have a question for those that
have used these stones. I have been reading a lot
of info on these stones, but still not sure exactly.
Shapton pro:
Works excellent with 01 and A2 steel. Sharpens
also HSS, but not that well.
question: Shapton pro 1k is actually a coarser stone AFAIK, about
800 grit. What about the pro 1500? How is the performance of that
stone?
Sigma power 1000 hard:
Works excellent with 01 and A2 steel.
Sharpens HSS as well, but not as good as 01 and A2. Basically
the same as with Shapton pro.
Bester 1200:
same story as with Sigma power 1000 hard.
Shapton pro's advantages:
-does not require any soaking, but
soaking a minute or so improves performance.
-dishes the least of the three.
shapton pro disadvantage:
-only 15mm vs 25mm of the other two
-stiction and clogging issues.
Bester 1200 and Sigma power 1000 hard, practically the same,
but the latter is a bit faster and stays flatter than the bester 1200.
The Bester 1200 can be permasoaked. The Sigma power might also
be permasoaked if I remember correctly.
Stu has a nice offer on his site. The sigmas 1000,6000 and 13000+atoma
400. I saw stus videos on these stones. I wonder if one could skip the
6000 if one finishes with a microbevels? Another thing I was wondering
about was perhaps we could use a very aggressive 2000 grit stone and not use
a 1000 grit stone? That way the jump to the finishing stone is even easier. Of
course the 2000 grit stone has to be able to raise a burr quite quickly.
Would the jump(microbevel) from a 1000(or 2000) grit stone to a polishing stone
work with HSS on the Sigma power stones(1000 and 13000 or 2000 and 13000)?
Has anybody tried the bester 4000?
sazman
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28th December 2011, 04:20 PM #2
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Just read the finewoodworking review on waterstones. The
Imanishi Bester 1200 has the highest cutting speed! Unfortunately
the bester 1000 and 1200 seemed to dish a lot according to the
results. What I find really puzzling though is that the King stones
dished three times less? From my own experience King stones
dish quite fast.
Apparently Lee Valley has done some testing too and found
different results:
Lee Valley Tools - Woodworking Newsletter
The bester 1000 was faster and dished less than the King and Norton. So
this is confusing.
Sazman
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19th January 2012, 11:08 AM #3
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Have used a Bester #1000 and it was fine for bevel shaping, repairing knife edges and so on. Dishing rate was fairly slow. The others I can't comment on.
Cheers, Ern
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19th January 2012, 01:58 PM #4
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PS, you have to polish the back to the same extent as the bevel, and that makes greater demands on a stone, so no, you need an intermediate step.
But normally you only have to do it once of course.Cheers, Ern
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20th January 2012, 12:11 AM #5
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Ern (or anyone else), any experience with Lobster stones?
Cheers, Brett
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29th January 2012, 02:54 PM #6
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'fraid not Brett. Have tried most brands by now.
IIRC these are sold by an Aus. tool maker?Cheers, Ern
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29th January 2012, 10:31 PM #7
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They are indeed, Ern. I have a 1k and a 6k Lobster (yeah, yeah) coming down from Terry Gordon along with a Bull Oak Smoothing plane (a specialty timber one that was not listed on his site).
I can send them to you for appraisal when I send your Colt forstners if you like. I queried Terry on their use with HSS, and he said any good stone will do his HSS blades, but he has not tried the Sigma PS II.
You could start a thread with a table of your fingings on the various stones you've used over the years. Possible working title of "Getting stoned, the hard way".
Cheers, Brett
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30th January 2012, 09:11 AM #8
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LOL.
I should've kept good notes or better done some measures of the various stones, and ideally they should be compared side by side. Thankfully Schtoo has done a heap of hard work here; see his blog entries starting with this one.
No thanks to your kind offer to have a play with the Lobsters. I might like them and have to buy some.Cheers, Ern
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