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    Hello All

    Ahh the joy of learning. I like to understand why. So taking Zac’s thought above to persevere with the original 4½ blade and cap iron, I had another look at them. They were not flat to each other?

    Now I know Derek set these up correctly last Saturday and using my new found knowledge I set them up again. First the cap iron which needed only a little work and I polished the front edge a bit more and perhaps increased the angle slightly.

    I know the blade was flat on Saturday so I looked between the cap iron and the blade for light and the the blade was bowed up into the cap iron at the middle. Having previously straightened this blade I gave it a light tap with a hammer and 12mm dowel. This bowed it more in the other direction. So I did the tap dance to get it straight so no light showed between the cap iron and blade.

    Learning - it only takes a light tap to bend the blade to show light between under the cap iron, Hmmm!

    Anyway polished up the blade edge again to 2500 grit and went to plane a similar piece to the one Derek cleaned up. Oh the joy —smooth to the touch as you can see in these shots. As nice as Derek’s one with his excellent planes (he said modestly). Oh yes no jumping around like a squirrel.

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    But… I kept going to practice my planing technique (after Derek’s advice and re-watching David Charlesworth’s video on how to plane long boards). After a few more strokes - difficulty. Initially it stopped cutting and then was all over the place.

    So I pulled the blade out and shavings / chips had got between the cap iron and blade. I cleaned up and looked for the light gap and sure enough right where the chips were the blade was dipped. If the angle on the cap iron was shallower maybe this wouldn’t happen. Not so good for tear out though.

    So I have confirmed that this blade is too soft / thin for these higher cap iron angles and will be kept for being part of the original but a new blade / cap iron will be the order in due course.
    One day lad all this will be yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skywarka View Post
    Thanks Derek, that is most generous of you. I guess I'll send a PM once I work out how. I won't bring the bench top it weighs 60+kg .
    Bring a nice chardonnay when you go over. Planing and chardy go well together... Second thoughts you might need two bottles, that's some knarly wood

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Spin Doctor View Post
    .......that's some knarly wood
    Yes, I'm battling away but it might be down to a scraper or sanding soon. The wood is so variable that it can change in direction every few inches (in places) so I can pick a high spot get the direction, start planing whisps for a few inches and then chunk, tear out that wasn't there to start with. The thicknesser did a good job considering.
    One day lad all this will be yours.

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    ...and the crowd went wild. I've cracked it.

    Derek Cohen with his excellent tools was able to mostly tame the Tuart but with my reasonable but lower quality ones I could not hence my previous post. I have been procrastinating over finishing the bench top not looking forward to hand scraping the top. A scraper plane was not in my cost justification range with my lower production / use rate. I certainly would like a nice smoothing plane but again (especially with the current exchange rates) $500+ is out of the question. I know its only a workbench but the tearout catches my eye and its the principle of the thing - I will not be defeated .

    Derek Cohen knows the following as I saw a post of his on another forum re a micro bevel and a YT from Jonathon Katz-Moses "Testing a 90 degree bevel..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezL5ZAM90js blade from a few years ago gave me the following solution to my set of circumstances.

    I have a more recent Stanley No, 62 LAJ plane which for $120 I paid new great value and works well (iron cap aside). Stanley do not supply additional blades but from Timbecon here I got a 50 degree LAJ blade from Melbourne Tool Company $50. I knew this would require some modification to fit. The Stanley blade is 1mm narrower and the adjuster small holes on the new blade is 1mm narrower. The new blade is also about 1.5mm thinner (this impacts the working of the iron cap)

    The new blade was good hard steel so difficult to make narrower (180 grit belt sander slowly no hotter than my fingers could just touch) Took about an hour with about 5 mins of sanding to remove 0.5mm each side. The adjuster hole was more difficult even with cobalt bits in a drill press they wouldn't touch it. So had to resort to carefully slow reaming with a old cheapie tungsten 6mm router bit (all I had on hand). Ruined the bit of course but got the hole opened up enough and neatly. A washer on the iron cap retaining bolt fixed up the thinner blade issue. Real McGyver stuff .

    Anyway got a good enough fix for the new blade to fit and hold. I then (belt sander again) put a 0.5 mm 90 degree bevel on the blade and removed the back burr. Put it in the LAJ and with this angle it turns it into a long scraper plane 102 degree angle of attack. It works like a dream - well not as nice a Derek's planes finish but no tear out at all. Yaaay.

    I will make good the fettling on the new blade and do something better with the iron cap - might make a new one based on the more expensive versions out there. Of course none of this affects my normal shooting with the LAJ when I put its standard 25 degree blade in. Thanks as always Derek for your many posts there are gems hidden everywhere .

    Hope this helps others - McGyvering at your own risk.

    TTFN

    Tony
    One day lad all this will be yours.

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