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25th January 2020, 08:47 PM #1
where do I start.
throwing myself in deep p ooo, Ive never sharpened any tool before, my cheap chisels were usually bugg-ered opening paint tins so thrown out and got new ones. Ive also never ventured into lathe work but I love decent turned bowls.
so there was a job lot for sale on this forum and I finally bought it includes
Tormek machine sticker says Tormek 1200, cutting wheel sticker says SG-200.
Teknatool NOVA DVR 3000 lathe with bed extension
yikes what have I got myself into
I seem to remember the tormek name but cant remember peoples thoughts. there appears to be a lot of YouTube vids that I need to wade throughI would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds
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25th January 2020, 09:52 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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Tormek is a good system. It's a wet grinder. I have the 250mm version and I love it.
Does it come with accessories? There are videos and youtube to teach you how to use it properly.
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26th January 2020, 09:22 AM #3SENIOR MEMBER
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I can't comment on the tormek style systems (been told they are very good) as I went the more low tec route when I was learning how to sharpen. I hope you enjoy the learning journey mate. Best feeling ever when you can properly sharpen your own tools.
For the record, I would have thrown myself in the deep end as well.
Best of luck mate!
Ben
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The first thing you must recognise is what is sharp and then you can work out what you need to get there. This is the single biggest issue people have when they start out down this path and unless you are shown what sharp really is you will blame the equipment for bad results. A single CBN wheel and a couple of stones with a blade jig to get the angle is all that is needed. Have a look on Derek Cohen's site for more info. A Tormek would drive me nuts because it is so slow but if it works for you then it will do the job. Use the mini bevel technique and a blade jig is not necessary because the bevel is so small.
CHRIS
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26th January 2020, 06:39 PM #5
thanks....I think
I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds
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27th January 2020, 01:13 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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Different bevel angles on edges work for different applications. No guessing is necessary.
I tuned up a big set of Sorby(?) lathe tools, freehand.
All kinds of steep bevel angels as I measured every one of them.
1. You need a device for measuring bevel angles. They won't be hard to remember.
I use one which measured the tip angles on drill bits (yes there are 8 different ones).
2. Learn how to set up the Tormek for your measured angles = reproduce them, again and again.
I was taught to do it all freehand. I'm happy with that for many crooked knives and wood carving adzes.
I need to use 30*, 28*, 25*, 20*, 12*, 10* and 6*.
I drew lines on stiff cards of each angle to stand up beside my sharpening kit so I can lift the tool as needed.
My crooked knives need fine sandpapers wrapped around mandrels, I use a tennis ball to hone my adzes.
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27th January 2020, 07:55 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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Tony, you have opened up the biggest can of worms these forums has ever seen. A lot of people are going to tell you that the Tormek is too slow, yes it is for setting up the profile. I have a Tormek and I think it is the best thing since sliced bread. Best thing to do is replicate the bar of the Tormek in front of an 8" grinder to rough grind your chisels to the profile you want and then go to the Tormek to finness them.
The greatest advantage of the Tormek is when you have them the way you want, each touch-up only removes thousandth's of an inch. When you are paying upward of $100 for a gouge you don't want to leave it as hot sparks on the ground.
Just my $0.22 worth. Inflation rate is high.
Rgds,
Crocy.
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27th January 2020, 11:59 PM #8GOLD MEMBER
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I know, but saying Tormek is slow compared to a half-speed grinder is like comparing apples with oranges. Tormek's main job is honing, not re-shaping. A more appropriate comparison would be with the water stones that people used after they've done their work on the half-speed grinder. Tormek made some adaptations such as coming up with a dual purpose SG series grindstones to allow some minor re-shaping taking place. But it does its best job when you want to hone to 1000 grit and then stropping with the leather wheel to get a nice polished edge at around 5000 grit. The edge is sharp enough to slice a piece of paper down vertically, and the best thing is that the whole process is repeatable, and the result is consistently sharp. I didn't know how enjoyable using handtools would be until I started sharpening with Tormek.
Since Tony now has a Tormek and the best thing is for him to learn how to use it the way its meant to be used and judge the merit of his wet grind system. I would recommend Tony goes on the Tormek community and ask questions there.
This video is also useful.
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