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    Default Just a Thought on Quality Tools. Powered or Hand

    I continue to read in these threads on how quality tools no longer have a place.

    They are too exspensive! I can get it cheaper! Who cares if they get stolen if they do the job!

    I am what people who are not Tradesmen call "A Tradie".

    I am yet to find a quality Tradesman that calls himself "A Tradie"! All of the Tradesmen and Tradeswomen that I know acknowledge themselves by the Trade they are proud to be involved in.

    They are not "Tradies"! They are Carpenters! They are Plumbers! They are Electricians.

    They have respect for themselves and the craft they have studied and mastered!

    They are Not "Tradies"!!!!

    It would appear that us "Tradesman" are a dying breed. What happened to the days of our apprenticeships that we looked for guidance from the Tradesmen that were in charge of our practical training? The same Tradesmen who guided us in the right and wrong when purchasing tools?

    Tools that would earn us money! Tools that we relied on to ensure our families were fed! Tools that would not break down mid way through a job and cost us money because we could only do half a days work!

    What happened to that?

    Try this for a scenario!!!!

    I have had my Hilti pnuematic hammer for 12 years.

    I also own a Dyna.

    Whenever I have been on site, If I needed a bit that I didnt have or had forgotten to take with me I have just made a call.

    Worst case scenario was I had to wait about 2 Hrs and it was delivered to site.

    Sure it cost me $60.00 but I stayed on site and worked on something else while I waited.

    Still earning money!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Did I mention that my drill is 12 Years OLD!

    Had to laugh at the plumber the other day.

    Asked to borrow my drill.

    Sorry dont lend tools!

    His hardware bought cheapie, less than 2 months old had stuffed up. it was 9 am.

    He left site with this so called wizz bang $199.00 pnuematic hammer. Off to the hardware to claim warranty and whatever.

    Came back at 3pm to pack up.

    Appears his cheapie with the 2yr warranty isnt covered if you take it out of a domestic garage! Go Figure!

    Lost 6 hrs in productive work time!

    Paid another $199 for another two month wonder!

    Chucked the old one in the site bin! Off to landfill!

    What is the cost to the enviroment? Why cant this guy see? 6x$199 =$1194.00 per year. Did mention my drill is 12 years old?

    Thats $1194 x 12 =$14 328.00

    Did mention my drill is 12 years old?

    Average 6 hrs per two months lost labour at an actual cost of $54.00 per hour thats another $1944.00

    My drill is 12 Years old. Cost me $1300.00 in 1996. Has been in for service three times and I have arranged to have that done in my holidays. Each service has cost me about $150.00

    I have never lost time on site through tool failure.

    I have always claimed all of my tool purchases on my tax. I have a good accountant.

    After three years my tools cost me nothing.

    I am a Tradesman, and as such I am offended by the current trend of the younger know it all generation that is not only burning their money through bad purchases but winges about the whales and the enviroment while they throw away 30 odd kilos of useless junk each year. That junk being the so called power tools they bin!

    The other excuse they use is that "Hey! Nobody steals it"! I wonder why?

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    I fully understand where you're coming from, but we're in the "Bic disposable age" and as much as I lament the throwaway mentality it's here and needs to be factored into any business. It can also be convenient at times.

    For much of my work, I'm the only one who can "go fetch" and often as not I'm more than a 2hr drive one way from home. Frankly, I can't afford to lose half a day (plus petrol) because "I forgot." "Just making a call" simply doesn't apply.

    Often I'll run down to Bunnies instead and buy a cheap'n'nasty, then bin it at the end of the day if needs be. It's more economical for me, plain & simple.

    Sure, the machine at home is better quality and would probably produce better results for the same amount of effort but I'm sure you'd agree with me: "it's a poor tradesman who blames their tools." Especially when it's something as trivial as a belt-sander or 1/4 sheeter.

    Now if 'twas something like a Hilty and I needed to bore a lot of holes in conc or similar... then I'd readjust my schedule and defer that part of the job until I brought the right tool from home. There's always something else that needs doing. No rest for the wicked.

    I also don't lend tools... but I've "lost" a few good tools from the back of the ute when on-site. In reality, there's not much you can do about it unless you actually catch the bastard in the act. Throwing a wobbly and accusing the other blokes on site in general not only doesn't get it back but tends to make the remainder of the job "awkward." Been there, done that. (Got banned from site. )

    One trick is to dirty up your brand new exxy tools in duct tape and stickum to make 'em less attractive. They don't want to liberate... errrm... borrow 'em then, but of course it doesn't always work.

    I have expensive, quality tools. I only take them as & when needed and try to keep them locked up when not in use. But for my daily users I'll stick to ratty old stanley chisels and Bunnies brand powertools.

    It's simple economics; I can't afford to do otherwise.
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    There are a lot of people on the forum who would agree with you Andrew. What I hate is that everytime you but something of quality there seems to be something better out there. I thought I was riding high with my Makita and Hitachi stuff, and then I started reading about Festo gear on this forum.

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    Another thing that slows down the tea-leaves is to overspray the tools with a really tacky coloured spray paint - who wants to try to get away with a drill with a flouro-pink paint job - it doesn't even have to be all over - just the bits you don't normally see when using it I have a cheap tin of gold spray paint that still keeps going, so some of my tools get a quick spritz of gold if they leave home.

    Of course some tea-leaves will even grind off the identifying numbers & marks, then try to pretend its 'normal' wear. The mate I work for occasionally is looking into the RF chips that they use to identify pets - can be glued inside casings, inserted into power cords etc. and you don't have to touch the item, just get close with the RF transceiver and it will report the chip information.

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    Thanks for the reminder Andrew.
    As the Arnotts people have always said:
    There's no substitute for quality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewb4562 View Post

    .......
    Sure it cost me $60.00 but I stayed on site and worked on something else while I waited.

    Still earning money!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ......
    Had to laugh at the plumber the other day.

    .....
    His hardware bought cheapie, less than 2 months old had stuffed up. it was 9 am.

    He left site with ....Came back at 3pm to pack up.
    .....

    Lost 6 hrs in productive work time!
    As a perhaps not aggressive enough client, my experience of employing TRADIES has mostly been that the 6hrs not productive time would have been charged up to me anyway.

    Can't say I've seen anybody charge out lately at $54/hr either. I'm currently looking to get an airconditioner compressor moved 5 metres and the cheapest over the phone quote so far is $600

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    It would appear that us "Tradesman" are a dying breed. What happened to the days of our apprenticeships that we looked for guidance from the Tradesmen that were in charge of our practical training? The same Tradesmen who guided us in the right and wrong when purchasing tools?



    Too true ,
    the old apprenticeship system is dead .It's now called traineeships and is a shadow of the former system ,it's a fast track system ,much to the detriment of many industries and the so called tradesmen who are coming out of it.
    Unfortunately the system of today often glosses over some of the time honoured skills that were important in the days of the past.
    Maybe the only trade that is still clinging to the old system are the electrical trades , only because of the danger of working with electricity and the fact that they have a licensing board that regulates who gets a and licence who doesn't.

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