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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhog View Post
    Interesting. Many search engines results included too good to be true prices for what appear to be cheaper counterfeit items.
    Total reality is a quality drill chuck all alone is almost the price of the fake counterfeit items.
    The chuck itself was metal and seemed a reasonable item although I never got check it out: i just said "NO!" interestingly even that let itself down in that the chuck key had no bar through the main body so tightening the chuck was always going to be a challenge. You can see this in the 7th pic of my original post.

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    I was recently in the market for some new workshop tool chests and facebook started harassing me with ads, one of the sites had varying combinations of units... but the price never went over $100. a 10 drawer unit was $98.10 and a 6 drawer was $97.60

    it was clearly a knock off scam and you where very unlikely to get your money back. I assume if you pay by paypal, they make you wait long enough for their funds to be released and then just do a runner. its just crap that facebook don't care about policing it at all (if they can) most likely because the fake site is still paying to be advertised.

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    Thought to add a little knowledge.

    Amazon is combatting this unrelenting infection.

    The names from Post 1 are generated. The products are then machine-stuffed into any orifice that will accept them. Ebay, Amazon, Instagram, Facebook are trying to get a hold of it, but places such as Pinterest are taking every dollar they can.

    Pinterest is particularly infected.

    Names like these are generated using a script. We used to use on to generate "English sounding" words for a voice to text product I was developing. The language can be divided up into phonons and from there these are packed together and a readability index determines if it reads and "sounds" right....

    All your favourite brands!!!
    LEYACT
    WELLPOB
    MIXCUN
    HELKAY
    GENIWO

    This gibberish apparently works as it propels the product up the recommended chain. As soon as a few bad hits occur, out come 35 more!

    As I said, these scams are an infection.

    Its all part of the deeper "China problem" that is being discussed in computing (slashdot, bleeping compute, etc)... (that, plus relentless hacking, unbelievably unethical practices, data harvesting, cheating and switch-bait programs. They are even causing a massive problem in the open source community - the number of times they are caught introducing backdoors and deliberate bugs is simply incredible. As a group they lack any ethical barriers.)


    All Your Favorite Brands, From BSTOEM to ZGGCD - The New York Times
    Why Chinese Sellers Are Dominating Amazon And How To Beat Them
    Trademark gibberish is apparently the secret sauce of third-party Amazon sales
    Fake brands explode on Amazon all selling the same products - Tamebay


    edit - I wanted to add, that when one uses the RIGHT resources that this can be avoided. There are many AWESOME brands in China that are kicking .... e.g. AnyCubic, Creality, Elegoo (!!! stupid, but KA!), Phlizon (they do LED grow panels), RevoSun (heat mats, air pumps, growing equipment), AliExpress (absolutely NO dicking around with refunds. They hit their vendors with the hammer of Thor!) ... JG Zui (great hardware), Tideway (routerbit), NiteCore (chargers) and my favourite XiaoMi (they are most excellent).

    I am surprised that the good vendors haven't launched a politically-led assassination of the scum using the practices above. As a group they have harmed themselves irreparably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
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    The names from Post 1 are generated. The products are then machine-stuffed into any orifice that will accept them. Ebay, Amazon, Instagram, Facebook are trying to get a hold of it, but places such as Pinterest are taking every dollar they can.

    Pinterest is particularly infected.

    WP

    Pinterest was the way I came across all these names mentioned.

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    had the same experience purchasing a ukulele for parts from HongKong was offered $1 for replacement of main body item which had a dent that was not repairable complained to the seller and he just disappeared from the site.[damaged goods]

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    I actually like and trust Paypal.
    Couple of years ago purchased a laser cutter through Ebay identical to one a friend had. It duly arrived safe and sound but something in the computer would not talk to anything. Had friend came and spent weekend trying to get the B working.
    Eventually contacted seller who fobbed us off, then Fleabuy ditto... in true gentlemanly spirit I tried Paypal they advised the seller had 48 hours to respond. 4 hours after cut off Paypal advised full refund including freight total $2.5K was being transfered into our account.

    Then the seller tried worming their way to get us changing our mind and sh**y cooments. Had great delight in telling him where he could stuff his laser, and his chinglese brothers.

    3 days later the damn laser suddenly started wirring and making cutting noises. Tried it out and wow it worked, so then notified paypal.... 'Lucky you, keep quite " was their response.
    then sold it for $1800. and the new owner his having heaps of joy with it.

    Win for Paypal in my books.
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    Tonyz, that is very naughty.

    I have a good story. A month ago I bought a 16Gb stick of RAM for the lappie. A SODIMM. The seller didnt ship it and provided a dud tracking number. Received all the loot back a few days after putting in the official complaint.

    Turns out Mr Shifty had done it to others too.

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    the problem is paypal and fleabay very much take the buyers side and can work against honest sellers with dodgy buyers.

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    While the are many good PayPal stories, there’s also bad experiences. I bought, on flea bay, 3 stepper drivers that where highly recommended. The supplier was supposedly in Darwin - that was stated in their location entry on eBay . The ones they sent were cheap copies of the real thing and had problems with missed steps. Back and forth between flea bay, seller and PayPal. PayPal agreed to a full refund as long as I sent them back to the seller ( this was before the free return policy). Problem was they wanted them sent back to China. I argued that I’d bought them from Darwin but PayPal said they had come from China. I argued false representation to eBay and PayPal but to no avail - they had to be sent back to China if I wanted a refund. Postage was about the same as the cost so I would have lost out.
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    I also ordered, through curiosity, that drill locator through Amazon and because it didn't arrive by their final date they refunded my money without me even asking. A few weeks later the actual product arrived and like what was said in the original post it was total cheap plastic crap. The threads weren't long enough and where you attach the drill was so sloppy the whole unit nearly fell over. So I'm certainly more comfortable buying through Amazon or Paypal. Also I've ordered many Chinese tools (knock offs) and they all work very well so they're not all rubbish but this one certainly is.

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    I haven't seen any recent ads for the knock-off Woodpecker tools like the drill locator for quite a while now.

    My feeds were full of them a few months back but I kept reporting them as fakes or selecting "show me less ads like this" options depending upon which platform the ads appeared on. I'm not sure if their scarcity recently has been because they have been removed by the platform owners or whether they are just not targeting me with them because of the preferences I selected.

    Is anyone still getting those ads?
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    Default Is it all a Cunning Plan ???

    I'm still seeing the ads.

    I had a thought.

    Perhaps all these appallingly bad knockoffs are actually a GOOD thing for Woodpecker.

    1 - Imagine thinking, upon seeing these knockoff ads .... "a-ha! That's a mighty fine thingo. Lets get a cheaper version."

    2 - Off we all toddle to Hecho En Chine and order what is an unavoidably bad knockoff. Poor quality, cheaply made, inaccurate, absolute shizzo. Worthless junk.

    3 - Next we come to the forums and have a big whinge about just how shizzo our experiences are.

    4 - Others read this and are warned off going down the cheap route. Caveat emptor!


    Woodpecker still sells even more units as:

    -- they've had a tsunami of cheap advertising toting their product as awesome and worthy of replication (i.e Very Good)
    -- A ton of free advertising via forum posts like this, with grumps like us having a spew
    -- We all end up buying the Ridgy Didge version as we still think the idea is schmicko


    NOW..... the cunning plan?

    What IF Woodpeckers marketing people planned this all along!

    Oh, its so subtle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    What IF Woodpeckers marketing people planned this all along!

    Oh, its so subtle!
    There's no doubt that the real talent at Woodpeckers is in the marketing department.

    Most of their offerings are "one trick ponies" costing a fortune to do one of the tasks easily performed by items readily available in the basic beginners handtool kit. They enable someone without the time and patience to learn the basic skills of woodworking to still participate in the hobby if they have enough money. Yes, they are well made and they do that one thing very well but ...

    Occasionally they make an "improved" version of an old classic tool like a Stanley Oddjob or something that might actually be useful to someone with better than basic skills but the price is usually prohibitive and the freight is sometimes more than the tool.

    My all-time favorite from the Woodpeckers Marketing Department is this classic: Exact-90 Miter Gauge

    While everyone else is making high-precision fully adjustable mitre gauges, Woodpeckers Marketing Department makes a feature of a non-adjustable mitre gauge for US$299.99 plus postage. I have no doubt that it will be very well made and very accurate but cost more than most fully adjustable, highly accurate, repeatable units that will do so much more.
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    I like the sexiness of the machined stainless steel and anodised aluminium.

    Very futuristic, very attractive.

    They are much like anything else in any other hobby. They aren't selling to businesses where costs must be justified.

    I look at it like my other hobbies of carving (just started) book making (just started) and sewing.

    One doesn't need the whizz bang super dooper, but geez its nice!



    My point on the Woodpeckers marketing ploy was perhaps more... clandestine... second level spy stuff.

    ??? Why WOULDNT woodpeckers contract with 10 different factories to flood the market with hideous, outrageously bad copies? It strikes the fear of death into any potential buyer of the non-legit product into a cycle of doubt

    By flooding the market with 3rd rate knockoffs deliberately, buyers will think three things:

    1st - the original must be worth copying
    2nd - the original would be super dooper
    3rd - all knockoffs are absolute junk


    Take the risk of buying that $20 free-post-Instagram special? No thanks!!

    If you were a manufacturer, would you copy a piece of junk just to make 10 cents when there are already 10 other knockoffs? Unlikely.

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