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    Default Accurate drop saw required

    I'm in the market for a drop saw which is very accurate. Want to get into picture framing and similar small mitering work. Years ago had an Elu, which a combo saw, either a drop saw or flip it over and it becomes a small table saw. It was the most accurate saw I have ever used but alas are no longer available:mad: Have tried a compound Makita - hard to adjust the blade to 90 & 45 degrees accuratley. Something with a quite induction motor and one that can easly be adjusted would be prefered. Can I pick your brains please?
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    For picture framing an elcheapo drop saw or even a handsaw and a mitre box is good enough.

    BUT you do need a mitre guillotine,

    OR a razor sharp handplane and a mitre shooting board.
    Regards, Bob Thomas

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwill
    Years ago had an Elu, which a combo saw, either a drop saw or flip it over and it becomes a small table saw. It was the most accurate saw I have ever used but alas are no longer available:mad:
    Phill
    I think this may be what you are looking for. DeWalt took control of Elu years ago, & re-badged some of their tools.
    http://www.dewalt.com.au/products.as...cketid=9&sid=1
    "the bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwill
    :mad: Have tried a compound Makita - hard to adjust the blade to 90 & 45 degrees accuratley. Something with a quite induction motor and one that can easly be adjusted would be prefered. Can I pick your brains please?
    Phill
    I have an older style Makita mitre saw which is not a compound or slide variety. it has never gone 'out' after 10 years hard labour- dare I say firewood as well. It makes a racket though, so it is not what you want- but accurate yes.
    Carry Pine

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    The metabo (previously electra bekam) 10" direct drive induction motor.
    I have one several mates have them.
    Fit it with at least 80t aluminium cutting blade & you will be away.

    This saw has been round for donkeys and was one of the first slide compound units on the market.
    lovely machine I use mine for accurate cutting of aluminium extrusions .
    picture framing is only a little less demanding.

    This saw has been popular in the aluminium industry for ages.

    With the aluminium balde you will get near enough to no chip out on your prefinished mouldings and an almost polished endgrain finish.

    cheers
    Any thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
    Most powertools have sharp teeth.
    People are made of meat.
    Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.

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    Echnidna already gave you the best option. Get a mitre guillotine. Dead accurate, doesn't need a motor as it is foot or arm driven and doesn't need adjusting.
    Bob Willson
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman
    The metabo (previously electra bekam) 10" direct drive induction motor.
    Hey Soundman,

    Can you let me know the model? I've got a Metabo drop saw (KGS 1670 S) but it was never an Elektra Beckum. Which saw do you mean?

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    As for Carpenter's info on the DeWalt, just 'cause it looks the same don't mean it is. I think it was Carpenter himself who backed up my story that the DeWalts don't even have soft-start? Perhaps it is only some models...

    Damien
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    Quote Originally Posted by damienhazo
    As for Carpenter's info on the DeWalt, just 'cause it looks the same don't mean it is. I think it was Carpenter himself who backed up my story that the DeWalts don't even have soft-start? Perhaps it is only some models...

    Damien
    Hi Damien, you're quite right about the wolf in sheeps clothing, you never know these days. However, I dont reckon DeWalt would go to the trouble of redesigning a tool they aquired in a corporate takover. Wouldn't it be easier for them to just change the colour of the plastic, rebadge & keep building them? Then again, maybe they've outsourced components to China. Mmmmmm.....now I'm curious to know because my DeWalt SCMS is made in USA, I wonder if the flip saw is. <V</V<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style=" 373.5pt; 374.25pt" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:title="" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\ANNARI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.png"></v:imagedata></v:shape>
    "the bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpenter
    However, I dont reckon DeWalt would go to the trouble of redesigning a tool they aquired in a corporate takover.
    I must have misunderstood your post: http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...0&postcount=17

    Different machine? Still doesn't change the fact that people have replaced ageing Elu machines with the 'rebranded-only' DeWalt machines, only to be dissapointed...
    Is it wrong to be in love with a sawbench?

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    Second (or is it third) what Bob Thomas said
    For dead on accurate (for picture frames) get a good mitre guillotine (not a cheapie)
    A shooting board and hand plane is too slow unless you're only doing a few.

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    The metabo model I refer to is the KGS301 or KGS331(with extras).

    Unless you are planning to do heaps of picture framing I see a mitre trimmer as a complete wast of time.
    Even then there are heaps of commercial framers who do not use mitre trimmers they depend on a decent mitre saw.
    believe me getting aluminium extrusion to mate prpoerly at a mitre is more demanding than picture framing.

    cheers
    Any thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
    Most powertools have sharp teeth.
    People are made of meat.
    Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.

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    Thanks for the reply Soundman - and for what it's worth...I believe you about the mitre joins.
    Is it wrong to be in love with a sawbench?

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