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    Default Need a new framing gun

    Hi everyone,
    My old Jambro framing gun has finally died after 35+ yrs of use. Not a bad life eh?
    From the reading I've done recently, Jambro is now Paslode.

    It's been showing signs of age for a while now. Buries a 4" nail in hardwood on the first fire then progressively less each subsequent fire.
    Now, the firing pin won't retract. I pulled it apart hoping to find some worn O-rings but instead found a plastic/nylon/some-kind-of-manmade-material completely shattered inside the barrel. Can't quite work out how it managed to fire at all from looking at the damage.

    I intend to try to find a repairman hre in Bendigo....if I can...and see if it can be repaired but I fully expect to be told "Parts no longer available"

    Now, when I bought this thing it was an easy job to know which one to buy. Walk onto any job site and note what tools the tradies used. It was pretty well split between Senco and Jambro. The Jambro rep that sold me mine actually stated it was a Senco copy to the point that Senco spare parts fitted it, and I've always bought Senco nails.

    Now-a-days, you just can't choose a brand and know you'll be right. Makita isn't Makita anymore for example.

    I've searched these forums and found out to avoid the Bunnies offerings....like I didn't already know that.....and a few people have recommended Bostich or Dewalt. But that again brings back the fear that Bostich isn't necessarily Bostich anymore.

    I found THIS one on eBay but it raises a question. (Apart from the guy is brand new with no feedback) It says it uses 30deg nails. So I wander out to my shed to read the box of nails and see what I have. No info on degree of angle. Looks kindof-sortof-maybe 30deg???

    Other sites show Bostich for example with a 20 or 22deg nail.
    There's a "Unpainted" Hitachi mentioned in a recent thread on this forum, but it again says 20 - 22 deg nails. It looks interesting.

    So, my questions are....what is the industry standard for these nails?
    If I get this Senco one on eBay, would nails be readily available?
    Is Senco still Senco? Can I still trust the brand?

    I paid about 3 weeks wages for my original gun, but I now give it very infrequent use. Maybe once a year I'll drag it out for a small job. My budget today is a couple of hundred. For that, I don't expect a tool I can use all day everyday, but I DO expect it to bury a 4" nail in pine and almost bury it in hardwood. I don't mind having to finish the job with a hammer in that case.

    But first up, I want to make sure the common nails for sale everywhere will fit whatever I end up with.

    ETA: I've added some pics below.
    The recently departed gun with the bits found loose inside and the nails currently used.
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    My current supply of nails
    Attachment 217454

    Cheers
    Jim
    Last edited by Grandad-5; 29th July 2012 at 01:52 PM. Reason: Add some pics
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    Bostich is Stanley, so judging by the decline in quality of their hand tools I'd imagine their air tools suffered a similar fate.
    Airco (who make excellent nail guns themselves) is the Oz distributor for Senco and I'd happily recommend either of them - Airco is more budget friendly, but quality is still excellent. We have many nail and staple guns from both at work and they just keep going.

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    Try Addems ait tools for parts to fix it, I have dealt with them a few times now and find them very good in that area. All they do is air tools. Just ring or email and they will endeavor to help you. I got parts for a 30 year old senco finishing gun with no problems, and parts for bostitch framing gun of a similar vintage.

    I have no affiliation with this company, just a satisfied customer.
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    Thanks Robert,
    I found that site when I was looking for a parts drawing before I pulled mine apart. Couldn't find one so I left.
    I've gone back for another look now and they say I can email them for a drawing so I'll take some photos and send them to them. There's no model number on mine. If I can get parts, I'll rebuild the one I have.
    I'll let you know how I get on.
    Jim
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    I had a look at the new compressed air cordless nailgun at the local show yesterday.
    Of course I have forgotten the brand name but I saw it at Mitre 10's stand.
    No gas cartridges to buy nor a compressor needed.
    I liked it very much.
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    Do you recall how much it was Wolffie?
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    I found the pamphlet.
    It is Senco Fusion Technology

    SENCO Air-Powered Nailers, Staplers, and Fasteners
    There were several different sizes between $600-$800. Around the same price as the Paslode.
    It comes with 2 quick charge Li-Ion batteries that will do around 500 nails per battery charge each.
    I was very impressed with it.
    I am going to get one for tacking cabinets together. These small ones were almost invisible.
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    That is absolutely amazing Wolffie. Thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately, it looks like that technology is only available in finish nailers so far. No framing guns. Sure wish I'd had one of those when I was banging whiteboard cabinets together all day, every day. I've never seen a gun with depth adjustment before and I liked the Bump nail feature too.
    I can't see me ever needing a finishing gun though. The little bit of cabinet work I do wouldn't justify it I'm afraid.

    Now...back to the Jambro.
    Been doing a lot of reading. Nothing much on the Jambro to be found but a lot on the Senco and the principles are the same. It would appear the pieces I found in the barrel were what remained of the bump, or rebound rubbers. There should be one on both sides of the piston. Mine obviously hardened over the years and just fell apart. Told you I didn't use it very often.
    So, I've taken a bunch of photos and will send them off to Addams Air Tools and see if they can identify the model and supply me with the bits I need.
    If not, I'm in the market for a new gun.

    Cheers
    Jim
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    I did a quick search on gumtree and there were a number of guns for sale, both air powered and gas for a reasonable price.

    It could be an option?

    Looking at your gun it looks a little like some of the older paslodes that I have seen, it could be that the parts are interchangeable? Addems air tool also do a repair service, that could be an option also.

    Having reread your first post, I see that your budget is only a couple of hundred dollars. I've used some of the cheaper guns and they are hard pressed to drive a 75mm nail into new hardwood, and not at all into old hardwood. Thats why I have a old bostitch that I bought at a clearing sale for $10. It cost $110 for the parts to fix it, (oring kit, bump rubbers, trigger assembly) so basically I have a new gun in an old skin.

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    Yeah, I have to agree with you Robert. I don't mind buying a cheap tool if the cost merely means it won't stand up to day after day use.
    It's when you buy a tool and it won't do the job at all even once that I get annoyed. Like buying a cheap level that isn't level, or a square that isn't square. Nothing P's me off faster.
    I would assume a cheap nail gun would drive a nail home in pine and most of the way in new OB. I wouldn't mind if it balked at the 100 yr old hardwood frame I have here and at my daughters. That's what I get for being a tightwad.

    What do you know about that Senco one on eBay I linked to in the opening post?
    Has Senco ever made a cheap and nasty model? Can't find that model number on the Senco site.

    The firing pin on my gun seems fine and near as I can gather that's the expensive bit. The bump rubbers and an O-ring kit shouldn't set me back that much, and I'd have a gun that I know will work on our old house studs etc.
    Jim
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    That one the sn751xp is I think the largest of the senco range, I would be more than happy to own one. I would think that it would do the job although it only takes 90mm nails.

    If it was me though, I would pursue the repair of your old one over buying a new one.

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    The Senco fusion guns are good I have had one for about 12 months. It isn't used a great deal. The batteries don't last. I have to replace both mine now. They seemed to go nearly at the same time. Also you have to watch the screws, for they come loose & I have to keep tightening them up with an alan key. But they are so good to use for I am not dragging an air hose around. I have to get in touch with Senco & get new batteries

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    I saw some new batteries for the Fusion on eBay Bucko. Might be worth a look.
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    Ok, email to Richard from Addems Tools on it's way.
    On reading it before I sent it, I must say I'm not real hopeful he'll be able to identify it much less supply any parts for it. I couldn't really give him much to go on. Just a couple of pics.
    I guess we'll see.
    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by elanjacobs View Post
    Airco (who make excellent nail guns themselves) is the Oz distributor for Senco and I'd happily recommend either of them - Airco is more budget friendly, but quality is still excellent.
    G'day mate. Hope you didn't feel I was ignoring your post. I certainly didn't. Found a few places that sell Airco and on the surface it would appear I can buy a Senco for much the same kind of money. Might not be an apples to apples comparison of features but I think I'm just old fashioned enough to feel more comfortable with a brand I know than one I've never heard of.

    Thank you very much for taking the time to give me your advice.

    Cheers
    Jim
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