Thread: Headless pin nailer or C1 nailer?

Will the stapler also take C1 brads? Most of them seem to. I have a cheap as chips one from Aldi that serves me well, I generally use 5/8", 1" and 1-1/4" brads.

I've got the supercheap brad gun, got it on special for about $25, works well. Also was given an Ozito electric nail gun that shoots brads + staples and it's a corker ! Very quiet but more expensive if you already have a compressor.
https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-15...apler_p6290294

I just bought a small C1 brad nailer from TradeTools https://www.tradetools.com/product-r...acity-18-guage. It takes 10-32mm 18 gauge brads, although getting brads smaller than 32mm you have to special order, or use those for the hand staplers that take brads. I was after 12mm brads and could order them in, but managed to get some 10mm from Bunnings and 14mm from TradeTools (that they didn't even know they sold LOL), that did the job.

Chief Tiff the combined nailer staplers take a (about) 6mm crown staple while the pure staplers (which I assume is what DaveVman already has) take the normal wider staples you would find in something like a hand stapler or office stapler.

Dave, go for the C1, the brads are common (I am a bit surprised by dai senseis experience getting nails). Buy a really cheap C1 nailer from Aldi or supercheap or somewhere and see how it goes. Buy a better one later if you want.

My experience FWIW
About 15 years ago I had to replace a matchboard ceiling and thinking about all that hammering above my head I went out and bought a good quality Hitachi C1 nailer. It saved me having to hammer nearly 700 nails. It was arguably the best tool I've ever bought. Unfortunately a few years later it was pinched.
I then bought a cheaper Spear and Jackson nailer/stapler which looks _very_ much like the one dai sensei showed in his link. I have used it a fair bit over the years for light nailing of ply boxes, mouldings and architraves etc, and is good enough. One thing I found out though, the driving hammer in the combined tools are wide to drive the staples and if driving nails below the wood surface they can leave about a 6mm wide hammer mark rather than a pin point mark the dedicated nailers do.
I believe the combined tools also are limited in the length of nails they can load (ie about 32mm). By and large the combined tool has been OK for me, but to get just that extra bit of length I recently bought an Aldi C1 nailer for about $30 which goes up to 50mm. (I had a bunch of 40mm nails from when I bought the first gun, which I hadn't been able to use for years!) It works perfectly fine. I used it only yesterday for nailing up a replacement lathe under a friends verandah. The lathe was 12mm thick and the 40mm nails went through this, through 6mm of cement sheet and fully into the verandah rafters. Couldn't complain about that and because it is pneumatic, putting a nail in every 6 inches only takes as long as it takes to move the gun along (and if in doubt, whack in some more!).

And for completeness of nailgun experience, I bought a DA nailer a couple of years ago to help work on the kids house. It was a good Hitachi one, its pretty good but f**k what a scary tool! It will strike sparks off 2.5 inch nails as it drives them through skirting boards into stone walls !!


Regards
SWK

I have a couple of C1 nailers and find them very handy. One is a Super Cheap gun which came in a package deal when I brought my compressor. It has not failed in the many years I have had it but not used on a regular basis. Takes from 15 - 50mm nails I think. The other one is a Ryobi and takes from 10 - 32mm nails. It has a nice rubber foot on it so it doesn't mark the timber when firing and also adjustable firing pin depth. A good gun for what you pay for them.
I also have a pin nailer which is beautiful to use and very quiet, but I find it limited in use as the pins don't have a lot of holding power due to no head and small shaft. Good for tacking small moulding in place after gluing and leaves little evidence of a fastener being used.
I also got a stapler as part of the SC deal but I don't think I have ever used it.

I have 23 and 18 ga. nailers and find that for woodwork, i.e. stuff that isn't going to be caulked and painted, the 23 ga. fastener is the way to go. Within it's limits and particularly when used with glue 23 ga. nails better for non-painted applications than 18 ga. fasteners because the indent made is 1/10th the size.

Originally Posted by rob streeper

I have 23 and 18 ga. nailers and find that for woodwork, i.e. stuff that isn't going to be caulked and painted, the 23 ga. fastener is the way to go. Within it's limits and particularly when used with glue 23 ga. nails better for non-painted applications than 18 ga. fasteners because the indent made is 1/10th the size.

Where do you get the 23g pins?
Your experience is what I was expecting but there's all sorts of advice here which is confusing.

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Originally Posted by swk

Chief Tiff the combined nailer staplers take a (about) 6mm crown staple while the pure staplers (which I assume is what DaveVman already has) take the normal wider staples you would find in something like a hand stapler or office stapler.

Yes. Exactly.



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Originally Posted by swk

I bought a DA nailer a couple of years ago to help work on the kids house. It was a good Hitachi one, its pretty good but f**k what a scary tool! It will strike sparks off 2.5 inch nails as it drives them through skirting boards into stone walls !!


Regards
SWK

Oh yeah the DA gun doesn't mess around. Although mine is a cheap Ryobi one which keeps jamming when I use the 60+mm nails. I sometimes think it should have an extra safety catch like a firearm just in case someone like my wife ever decided to pick it up and move it.


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Originally Posted by Treecycle

I also have a pin nailer which is beautiful to use and very quiet, but I find it limited in use as the pins don't have a lot of holding power due to no head and small shaft. Good for tacking small moulding in place after gluing and leaves little evidence of a fastener being used.
I also got a stapler as part of the SC deal but I don't think I have ever used it.

Where do you get the pins from?


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So to summarize the advice I should probably accept that I'll end up buying one of each. (How terrible! [emoji16]). And thus I should probably start with a cheap C1 and then consider a headless pin nailer down the track when I have some detail work to do and or want to have minimal holes.
Does that about sum things up?


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I have a Ozito C1 staple and nailer - electric - but it leaves a wide imprint (as it's designed for nails and staples) so is only good if you are going to paint IMO. Filling and staining to colour match is a pain IMO. I've used the Ryobi Airwave? 23ga headless nailer and it's not bad (tiny imprint and it's adjustable) but I haven't bought one as I dont have an air supply. Also I haven't had much luck lately with Ryobi gear in general

Originally Posted by DaveVman

Where do you get the 23g pins?
Your experience is what I was expecting but there's all sorts of advice here which is confusing.

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Here the guns and the pins are sold at the big box home stores. Always stocked together but sometimes you need to look carefully for the pins because their shelf displays are small and tend to get lost among the larger brads and nails. Online is also a source. I have two 23 ga guns, one is a Porter Cable and the other is a Grex. The PC is tiny and cheap, the Grex is as big as an 18 ga. gun and can shoot 2" pins if needed but it's expensive, check eBay for a deal, I got mine for about 1/3rd the price of new.

My local big box store has a headless pin nailer in stock but no pins for it. They do have plenty of the other types. So far I've found a similar story in tool stores.
There's no hurry so I can keep researching.

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