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    Question Which Ryobi???

    Hi All ,

    I've had a look through the Forums (very interesting and informative) and now want to ask a few questions.

    I'm a (wannabe) Woodworking Home Handyman (Fitter by Trade) and looking to buy a SCMS, I see the benefits of the top of the line brands mentioned, but would never use them to their full capability so can't justify the cost.

    I'm looking at the Ryobi 2000 Watt, 254mm SCMS's (from Bunnings) and wanted opinion's on 2 models which I see little difference in except for the price. I'm just going to list the difference's in the documentation from the Ryobi site. I've included links to the full Ryobi Technical details if anyone wants to see them.

    Ryobi EMS2025SCL (reduced to $299):
    - Twin over table rails increase cutting capacity and smooth action
    - Horizontal (‘D’) handle with soft grip rubber overmold for increased user comfort
    - Large bevel locking lever
    - Material vice to secure the work piece
    - Secondary handle makes transportation easier
    - Mitre angle indicator for clearer angle selection
    Includes a Repetitious Material Stop

    Ryobi EMS2026SCL (forgot to write down the price almost $400 I think)
    - 3 bearing easi-glide sliding mechanism with chromium rails
    - Horizontal (‘D’) handle with GripZone™ rubber overmold for increased user comfort
    - Front handle mitre locking for enhanced safety and convenience
    - Sliding Fence adjusts for increased work support
    - Metal base with indexed mitre stops
    - Livetool Indicator™ glows blue when plugged into the power supply

    Question 1:
    Is there anything in the difference's which would make one superior to the other???
    (I realise some differences may just be the way it's worded, but I'm unsure)

    Question 2:
    Which Ryobi would would Members pick and why???
    (I know you would never pick a Ryobi but if you had to)

    Question 3:
    I see from posts that the 40T Blade is a tad rough, what Tooth Size should I get for neater cuts???

    My first project with the SCMS will be a new Pantry cupboard where I intend to Trench? (Rebate?, Notch?) the frame. After doing the Outdoor Privacy Screen by hand I'm so over trying to set a Circular Saw to the correct depth and Chiseling it all out, hence my desire for a SCMS for this and future projects.

    Thanks in advance for any advice Members can offer.

    Regards
    John
    Last edited by johnomg; 6th October 2009 at 10:07 AM. Reason: Added Hyperlinks

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    My finely tuned shopping instinct tells me that one of those saws is the 'runout' model and the other is the 'new improved' version.

    Now that the thread has been fixed and loads properly maybe a Ryobi SCMS owner might like to comment.
    I've got Ryobi stuff (drill, circ' saw, table saw) and I've not had any problems but I'm nice to them and don't use them too much. My SCMS is a Bosch and gets a bit of rough handling (wet treated twistiata pine) and the most use of all my power tools and that I can recommend.
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    I think SEANZ has hit the nail on the head. They look almost identical, except for the body and guard. They have all the same features, just worded diffferntly, except for the "Livetool Indicator™" which is handy, but at $100, and the left fence slides out.

    Have you seen them in the flesh? Test them by trying to wobble sideways and twist etc to see how much freeplay there is.

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    G'day seanz and bpj1968, Thanks for your Input

    Sadly I think the first 100 odd people who looked when I broke my Thread might not look again

    I agree with you, it's probably a runout sale, the hard part is that these days price isn't indictive of quality, performance or an improvement in the next model.

    I'm leaning towards the latter, mainly because it mentions 3 bearings, I figure they will give better support and wear less as a result.

    The guy in the Bunnings Tool Shop said that as far as he was concerned the only difference was the Motor, better or worse he didn't know and he recommended the former as the one I should pick, he has never led me astray before so I'm a bit torn between his pick and what my heart tells me I should pick.

    I know the cheaper brands such as Ryobi aren't as accurate and nicely built as the Top End Brands, but I can't justify $800-$1,000 for something I'm not using everyday (Translation = The wife would kill me).

    I've read that the Ryobi scales and accuracy leave a lot to be desired, I'm willing to live with that, making sure I measure twice, lightly score, cut and stuff it up, then get it right on the second attempt

    Well I'm off to Bunnings in 30 minutes and will have one last check of the Thread before I go, I will play with them both, twist and turn them as suggested to see how much freeplay each has and read the Motor labels if I can, then make my decision. I will post back and let you know what I decided.

    I want to buy an extra blade so I get nice clean cuts, any suggestions on the number of Teeth I should be looking at???


    Thanks again to you both
    John

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    G'day All

    Well I went down to Bunnings and had a play with both Models of the Ryobi SCMS.

    I twisted and turned both of them, they both seemed fairly tight and there was no discernable freeplay or difference between the two. The table rotation and saw angle movements were pretty much the same, smooth and free.

    The Motor label information is identical, but you can see that physically the casing is slightly different between the two of them. The D grip handles are slightly different too, but nothing to write home about. The table lock mechanism on both is different, the former has a seperate knob while the latter uses the handle you turn the table with as the locking mechanism, only time will tell which is the better system, the obvious difference being the latter is a one handed operation, you move the table using the knob and lock it using the same knob.

    As for the sliding mechanisms, the former has a flat plate on each side of the housing, which without taking it apart seems to indicate bushes to me. The latter has cupped end plates which indicates linear bearings to me.

    The final decision came down to how the slides operated, the former felt rough, like it was sliding over a surface that wasn't smooth, the latter had a really nice smooth movement.

    With all that done and the guy at Bunnings rolling his eyes at me in a similar way the wife does I decided to buy the Ryobi EMS2026SCL for $385

    I also bought a Irwin 80T blade for the neater cuts I want, a 60T might have done the job and a 100T was in my opinion an overkill, again only time and experience will tell, not cheap suckers I can tell you.

    Thanks again for the responses.


    Regards
    John
    Last edited by johnomg; 8th October 2009 at 08:41 AM. Reason: Fixed Typo's

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnomg View Post
    G'day All


    With all that done and the guy at Bunnings rolling his eyes at me in a similar way the wife does I decided to buy the Ryobi EMS2026SCL for $385


    Regards
    John
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    It’s got to the stage where today I went into TT to look/purchase an Impact Driver, the sales guy (we are on first name basis now) was quite happy spend time with me and give as much info as he could and at the end cheerfully said "well now you have a decision to make...I will see you in a couple of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnomg View Post
    only time and experience will tell, not cheap suckers I can tell you.Regards
    John
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