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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLou
    If this is the case then why hasent a blade digging into my waterstones been an issue with low angle honing guides. I have never dug in with a low angle honing guide

    .........................so why then does this suddenly become an issue with the Mk2 set at a high angle???

    Surely the jig is playing a role in the process of digging into a waterstone as a result of the pitch of the angle the blade is held at in the Jig.

    Is it not this angle that put the blade at risk of going into the waterstone????

    Regards Lou
    I don't know another way to say it but I'll try.

    When you change the angle on ANY jig from low to high you obviously change the angle that the blade is presented to the stone.

    No matter what type of jig you use, or even if you freehand, the blade will be presented to the stone at a higher angle and you will have an increased risk of the blade digging in.

    Nothing to do with the jig type or manufacturer, it is pure and simple that if you sharpen a blade at a high angle, you will have a risk of it digging in to the stone.

    Cheers, Jack.
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    What makes a jig a "high angle jig"? The old eclipse style Timbecon one I have is capable of honing at the same angles as the MKII.
    "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."

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    Edit and deleted, already said by Jack.
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    $26 and that's it!
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    Whats it matter fellas.

    Just try not to #### up your stones and she'll be right......

    I don't know who's saying what exactly......but if you stuff up, you really got to be blaming yourself for not preventing it....full stop I think. I mean, UNO ??????? maaaaaate ?....uno, savy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper
    uno, savy ?
    I saw that movie sunday night for the first time...johhny depp is a champ! a little like his role in Fear and Loathing
    I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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    I see. You're the bloke down the pub who steps between two other blokes what's having an argument when it gets a bit heated? You know what happens to him, doncha?
    "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentC
    I see. You're the bloke down the pub who steps between two other blokes what's having an argument when it gets a bit heated? You know what happens to him, doncha?
    So do you guys think I'm blaming the Jig and solely the jig its the jigs fault and nothing but the jig

    OR

    Think I'm simply saying that when blades are honed at higher angles theres more potential for them to dig into a waterstone and that this can be an issue with the Mk2

    ?????????????
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    Lou,
    the point is that whether you hold a blade at 50 degrees by hand, the MKII jig or an el-cheapo Stanley copy then there is a high probability you will gouge out your waterstone if you push the blade. The problem is not in the holding by hand or by jig but in pushing the blade at such a high angle.

    TRANSLATION:
    If you hold a blade at 50 degrees, whether by hand or jig and push it over your waterstone then, in all probability, you'll gouge a big chunk out. This is called operator error and has nothing whatsoever to do with the method of holding the blade.

    Summary:
    By blaming the jig for your own mistake (which was caused by ignorance, but was your mistake all the same) you may be discouraging potential purchasers. It could possibly be seen as libel. I think it would be wise to reread what you have written to see what it really is that you have written as opposed to what you thought you meant. You may want to retract it, or at least apologise to Lee Valley.

    Mick

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentC
    I see. You're the bloke down the pub who steps between two other blokes what's having an argument when it gets a bit heated? You know what happens to him, doncha?
    yeh,,,,I know,,,,, bloody vigilante wankers an't they ,,,,, .... pathetic anyway,,,,,,your not even fighting over a girl

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    Quote Originally Posted by martrix
    I saw that movie last night for the first time...johhny depp is a champ! a little like his role in Fear and Loathing
    Last night ? ....dunno ....saw a bit of some pirate movie the other day with him in it.... might have been on the weekend......the misses made me watch the first hour. Annnnyway, I think its your shout...yes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLou
    So do you guys think I'm blaming the Jig and solely the jig its the jigs fault and nothing but the jig

    OR

    Think I'm simply saying that when blades are honed at higher angles theres more potential for them to dig into a waterstone and that this can be an issue with the Mk2

    ?????????????
    Well, based on your opening post to the thread, I'd say you are blaming the jig, and only the jig. It's there in black and white:

    I honestly feel the Hype around the Veritas Mk2 was a load of #$%&*#*. I've managed to stuff my 10 000 grit waterstone using the Veritas which tends to dig into your waterstones when used at the higher angles.
    Thanks for the red too. Hope it made you feel better. You're still wrong. Just to show there's no hard feelings, I wont even red you back. Not that they mean much anyway.
    "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."

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    M8 I don't need to retract anything. I am not saying anything that hasent been said about others tools on the forum and I'm certainly not liable...................what a load of *&%^$%(_(&.
    Just Do The Best You Can With What You HAve At The Time

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLou
    So do you guys think I'm blaming the Jig and solely the jig its the jigs fault and nothing but the jig

    OR

    Think I'm simply saying that when blades are honed at higher angles theres more potential for them to dig into a waterstone and that this can be an issue with the Mk2

    ?????????????
    It is not what I think, rather what you have said.
    The fact is that you have said that it is the jigs fault, where clearly, from the opinion of some experienced members, it is not.
    The gouges in your stone are your fault, be it from operator error, inexperience, or ignorance.
    Obviously you need more education in sharpening blades and I think those gouges would be there regardless of what type of jig you used.
    I am not a sharpening guru and am not trying to have a go at you but anyone who doesn't know what they are doing will more than likely gouge a stone when sharpening a blade at a high angle.
    Not a bad way to learn though, you won't do it again!!!

    Cheers, Jack
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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper
    Last night ? ..... Annnnyway, I think its your shout...yes ?
    sure, howz bout we start off with some dandy mescaline to get things going
    I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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