Thread: What is the best sharpening jig?

Originally Posted by martrix

sure, howz bout we start of with some dandy mescaline to get things going

sure, I'm game if you are......probably should google search that first so I can pretend I'm familiar with what your talking about eh....... ....just look at those buggers, there STILL fighting. Dare you to try and break em up.....

Originally Posted by NewLou

What I'm saying is that when honing at higher angles my experience with the Mk2 is that the blade is more prone to gouging out a waterstone than say for instance my lower angle stanley.

Have you actually read any of the replies here?

Once again, of course you have more risk of gouging your stones when using the veritas to sharpen a blade at a high angle than when using the stanley to sharpen a blade at a low angle.

You have more risk because THE BLADE IS AT A HIGHER ANGLE.

I think people have a problem with your statements because you blamed the veritas.

You dont sharpen your blades at a high angle because you have a guide that can do it, you have a guide that can do it because you want to sharpen your blades at a high angle.

If you want to sharpen your blades at a high angle, you run the risk of gouging your stones if you do it incorrectly.

It is not the guides fault.

Cheers, Jack

Originally Posted by NewLou

Surely thats an inherant risk associated with USING A HIGH ANGLE HONING GUIDE and puts users unaware of this issue more at risk of damaging their waterstones.

Sounds like the risk is in trying to do hone a high angle to begin with....theres a solution.....don't.....backbevel a bevel down plane.....never prang your blade into your stone with it that low.....

But then a MK5 wont get that low will it. (or will it ?)...just get an eclypse and bolt on a little bearing and do it inverted (shrug).....don't have to argue any more.

night

I'll ignore all the crap about whether it is the jigs fault or operator error (as it is clearly an operator's error) but why sharpen a blade at a high angle?

Peter.

To use in a low angle plane of course

Cheers, Jack

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Regards from Perth
Derek

Originally Posted by Jack E

To use in a low angle plane of course

Cheers, Jack

Thanks Jack, so there was a purpose to all this arge barge.


Peter.

Originally Posted by NewLou

...........Surely thats an inherant risk associated with USING A HIGH ANGLE HONING GUIDE and puts users unaware of this issue more at risk of damaging their waterstones...................

Sorry Lou, No, it's an inherant risk when sharpening at a high angle, regardless of what jig you do or don't use.
If you use the MKII to sharpen at a low angle than there's absolutely no risk of gouging out your stone.
If you hand sharpen at a high angle there's as much inherent risk of gouging out your stone.
If you somehow bodgy up an eclipse to sharpen at a high angle there's an equal risk.
If you drag the blade backwards when sharpening at a high angle there's no risk of gouging your stone.
There's a risk of gouging out your stones if you push your blades whilst sharpening at a high angle. The risk factors are the high angle and the pushing combined. Absolutely nothing to do with the brand of blade, country of origin of the stone or the brand of jig.

A fence that is closer to the back of the blade than the front is a risk factor in kickback. It matters not a hoot who manufactured the blade or the saw, if the operator doesn't know what they're doing and sets the fence incorrectly then kick back will occur. The bloke with the mssing fingers can blame the manufacturer of the blade and the saw and even the supplier of the timber and the electricity but this doesn't alter the fact that he's the one responsible for his missing digits, just like you're the one 100% responsible for the gouge in your stone.

Mick

Originally Posted by NewLou

My comments are for Stewarts information gathering and possible issues for him to consider

Originally Posted by NewLou

I'm not saying I'm not at fault here. ............hello!!! are you listening!!!!

Originally Posted by NewLou

the Veritas Mk2 is a great honing guide. I just don't think its the best Honing option. Nothing more nothing less.

Originally Posted by NewLou

The learning kerb is knowing when a stone is at potential risk of being damaged

Originally Posted by NewLou

To make the statement crystal clear if set up to Factory tolerances settings etc the Mk2 does work as advertised. The faulty systems don't.

Originally Posted by NewLou

My counsel is what ever U use you will become proficient at and if practiced enough expert at weilding......................Wether it be a chepo Stanley or more Versatile Veritas Mk2

Originally Posted by NewLou

I'm not saying I'm not at fault here. ............hello!!! are you listening!!!!

Well actually Lou, you are trying to shift some of the blame onto the MKII jig when it is solely yours. And your initial post put the blame squarely on the jig.

Mick

Originally Posted by journeyman Mick

And your initial post put the blame squarely on the jig.
Mick

HOw?

This is a JIg that requires care to use effectively (How does this blame the Jig???? this statement suggests nothing more than to use the jig with care!!!)

you need to be mindful that there are inherent risks associated with design that may result in damage to your expensive waterstones (This suggests that the design of the jig allows blades to be set at an angle that may cause problematic use eg: high angle will cause damage if care not taken!!!)

How am i blaming the jig?????

Guys,
Mick and Jack have the whole thing spot on. Gouging the waterstone is simply a result of the high angle being used to hone/sharpen the blade. It has NOTHING to do with any jig/guide whatsoever. I have used the MkII and it has performed very well. Other honing guides also perform well. In fact - I am led to believe that using only your hand also performs well.
Regards
Les

Here is the deal. I will never read another thread about sharpening.

I promise.