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5th March 2016, 08:40 AM #16
Old codgers with a shop full of tools die, tradies go out of business, people buy an expensive tool and find they don't use it.
What's wrong with scouring the auction sites, closing down auctions, estate auctions for a well preserved quality 2nd hand tool?
Sometimes that just doesn't work out though .... I was looking for a 2nd hand gas welding set for about 18 months before buying
new: the bidding at auctions was insane and exceeded new price by a considerable margin, for scungy, rusty worn gear....
On the other hand, I picked up a heavy, slightly worn looking Senco framing gun for a song at a 2nd hand tool place, and it hasn't failed
me once, out-performs every cordless nailgun I've seen. Sometimes it does work out well. I'd go for 2nd hand quality over cheap UYT%^
any day.
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5th March 2016, 10:38 PM #17Intermediate Member
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Have you looked at
Swarts Tools 305mm 12" Sliding Compound Mitre Saw Belt Driven Double Bevel Drop Saw (SW1045) - Swarts Tools
If you don't need sliding how about one of these
Compare | Bunnings Warehouse,
I recently went through this same dilemma of what to buy,, in the end I decided to wait and save up some more and buy a good trade quality saw for my shop. Way out f the price range the op put up but I just could not part with my money when I took a good look at the cheaper brands. You definitely get what you pay for.
Bear
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5th March 2016, 11:22 PM #18SENIOR MEMBER
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I have some ozito tools, cant kill them. Wifes cousin has one of those Ozito SDS drills and he is a full time chippie and cant kill it. I own one too, and it gets punished.
Accuracy? Does anyone actually get consistent repeatable cuts with a SCMS anyway? I have a flash one that cost a lot, and even with decent blades the accuracy is not that flash. User error perhaps?
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6th March 2016, 01:30 AM #19
Back home I have a 10" (made in Japan) Makita, can't fault it's accuracy.
Here in Canada, I have yet to buy a mitre saw. If I want accuracy in a SCMS, I will have to part with real money.
All the cheapies offer is speed -- I can make 90° cuts more accurately with a knife, chisel and hand saw.regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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6th March 2016, 02:28 AM #20I'd like to buy a sliding drop saw (mitre saw).
Having very little budget in this case, I was happy to find an Ozito for $179 and then a Ryobi for $329
I do a lot of woodwork on weekends and plan to for a very long time. Not professional, but I care for accuracy and a tool making the job easy.
I wouldn't mind stretching the budget from bottom of the barrel ($179) to maybe $300 to get a better quality (eg more accurate, longer lasting).
Regards from Perth
DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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6th June 2016, 08:43 PM #21New Member
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I was at Bunnings looking for a sliding mitre saw and I was wondering the exact same thing. How can the Ryobi be almost double the price of the Ozito!?! They are both DIY machines. The Ryobi does have a nicer feel and appears more precise but for $20-60 more you can walk out with a Bosch or a Stanley Fatmax.
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6th June 2016, 11:31 PM #22
Ryobi appears to be more precise; looks can be deceiving. I have probably bought a dozen Ryobi tools over the years and I can say without a moment's hesitation that now I will always pick an Ozito offering over Ryobi if for some reason I couldn't justify AEG or DeWalt. The ONLY thing with Ryobi on the side that hasn't caused me frustration is my chopsaw stand. Probably something to do with not having any moving parts. If I buy a piece of cheap Chinese junk it is with the full knowledge that I will have to make allowances for it's lack of power/accuracy/features. If I buy Ryobi it is with the full knowledge that I have just wasted the price difference between it and the cheap Chinese junk I felt too proud to buy.
The last straw was my whipper-snipper. I could get it tuned to start and run perfectly when hot; but the 45 minute swear-a-thon to get the beeyatch actually running in the first place from cold finally defeated me and I splashed out on a new 58V AEG cordless one. Which; fortuitously, is part of the same group who owns Xpander, Homelite... and Ryobi... so I can still use my Xpander 3m pruning saw attachment and if I want to I can put the Ryobi bent shaft on it... when I can't be bothered to thread a new line into the AEG head...
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7th June 2016, 08:59 AM #23New Member
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I do agree. There's no point in spending a premium on generic chinese tools. You don't gain much and you're spending almost as much as a respected brand name machine. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with Ryobi - I have a few good Ryobi tools including a saw. They perform well within expectations, but I certainly didn't pay a premium for them. If I wanted a top tool I'd spend a bit extra for a Bosch, Dewalt, etc.
It seems that shoppers have noticed this as Bunnings has cut the price of the Ryobi Slide Mitre Saw to $299.
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7th June 2016, 08:59 AM #24Senior Member
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you will be hard pressed to find any saw that isn't made in China. I have a Makita [ never had an issue ] even it is not made in japan as they were in the past. So shop within your budget and be prepared to make fine adjustments till you get what you need.
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9th June 2016, 12:04 PM #25Senior Member
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Similar to P.W.H. above...
You could do what a mate of mine did recently and pick up a Makita LS1013 SCMS for $210 secondhand in very good condition. New I think they are around $500 or so, which means he paid less than half of full price for which looks like either a seldom used or very well looked after saw. It came with a 250mm blade which needed a sharpen plus a spare. Good score in my book. It seems reasonably accurate and I'm sure with a bit of fine tuning he could make it better.
Stewie
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9th June 2016, 07:31 PM #27Senior Member
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The retail price of a lot of tools has come down remarkably in that period Ian.
I remember in about 1982 and doing a lot of bathroom work needing a small angle grinder. I looked around and bought a 100mm Makita for about $120 and was pretty chuffed as they were usually about $130.
I could walk into a Bunnings store and buy practically the same one now for $85 all these years later. You also have to remember that back then I was probably gtting $12 / hr. Now I'd look at around $60 / hr.
Stewie
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9th June 2016, 08:15 PM #28
I know what you mean, but you have to compare like with like.
the current equivalent to the Makita I own is the LS1016 which Sydney tools List at $850.regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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9th June 2016, 09:08 PM #29SENIOR MEMBER
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Such a dilemma ... just to be sure about your needs ... sometimes we buy things with features that we amy need öne day"... but for all the other days we just waste its capacity.
I have found that a smaller blade on a budget machine will actually give a better cut ... and the sliding mechanism ... is it really needed. For most large cuts the plunge saw or circular saw will gibe acceptable cust coz 10th of mm is not so important.
In short .. consider using your cash to get a "better basic saw ... not a 12 inch with lasers, lights and big sliding mechanisms ... Oh .. and a good blade that is a crosscut blade is important too. A basic saw with a good blade often get a better result than one that has bells and whistles.
Regards
Rob
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12th June 2016, 01:29 PM #30Intermediate Member
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Hi all buying a tool like this is a very complex situation ,not only do you have to take into consideration finances but also longevity of the product ,most of the places I have worked used Makita slide saws but a mate had a bosch 12 inch ,a really nice machine belt drive so no gears that might strip .I had a small drop saw Makita had it for a long time and was still in good nick but the cut was a problem ie width of cut ,anyway after doing a bit of research and comparison I bit the bulet and although it cost me a packet I know it will last me the rest of my life ,I was a bit lucky as it was on special at the time with the stand for 999 dollars now I know that this is not really what were talking about here but my thinking is how long are you going to have it and what are you going to use it for.
Mine has been used in trade work but sits just as nicely in my workshop for home use so just something maybe to think about rather than buy a tool that may last a while but will have to be replaced in the end .
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