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29th February 2012, 05:07 PM #16
Yes. I think that is the essence of the problem. Only one log and not much room for error. In fact for a 400mm dia log the sections required are quite large.
Cutting parallel to the bark seems to be a given and that has to occur on all four sides. The way I used to achieve that is on turning the log I would jack up the small end (normally with a small bottle jack) and chock it with small offcuts until it was again parallel.
I accept that the Lucas can be angled but only in the horizontal plane not the vertical plane. This is the type of situation I would be charging by the hour rather than in cubes.
Lastly, if I have missed a way that the maximum recovery can be achieved please enlighten me. I don't pretend to have all the answers (at least not since the black day my wife informed me that although she loved me, I wasn't perfect.)
Carl, if there is an alternative way of milling this log, do share it with us. After all, this was the question posed in eli szoko's original thread.
Remember we are looking for 2/ 200x50 and as many 150x50s as possible and this is the catch: All full length boards 6m long. I would expect in the tapered heart there would be some half length boards to be found also, but this was not the primary requirement.
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PaulBushmiller;
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29th February 2012, 10:04 PM #17Senior Member
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So, I got the log cut today
I did cut along the sap to the heart.Then fliped it to get away from the mases of dry rot in the heart of log witch nilly consumed the entire log.We got 2 6x2 6m long and some 3x2 4x1 2x1 all short lenthgs from the taperd section and sap wood.
Tanks all
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29th February 2012, 10:22 PM #18
heh heh...
All that discussion and the log was rotten eh?
Bad luck mate. (But at least you've gained some food for thought about future jobs of similar ilk!)
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1st March 2012, 04:12 PM #19Senior Member
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Ye it stoped about 3 foot from each end just enough so we couldent see it.
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6th March 2012, 08:14 PM #20
What a load of dribble? why take advice from a benchman about cutting with a Lucas?
As Carl mentioned, or tried to?!?!? cutting with a Lucas isn't like cutting with a bench.
You can cut parrallel with the top AND bottom of a tapered log and ALSO with both sides of a tapered log. I'm not goin to waste my time explaining it as it seems both Carl and myself being long term Lucas operators know nothing about using them.I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
Allan.
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6th March 2012, 10:10 PM #21
now i know this isnt going to go down very well.
i cant stand people who go out an buy a mobile mill and next day start going around teh joint cutting timber for people when they have no idea about how to cut a garden stake. that is what gives these mobile saws a bad name, i have enough trouble convincing people the timber sawn on a mobile and on a bench are exactly the same quality without newbys with no idea going around and cutting absolute rubbish that the customer cant use.
i have and do use both benches and mobile saw, they are completely different and require different cutting patterns and techniques, on a bench you cut inside out and a mobile saw you cut outside in. mobile saws are harder to get straight boards on cos you cant pull them round not to say its not impossible.
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11th March 2012, 10:59 AM #22Senior Member
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11th March 2012, 11:02 AM #23
exactly
I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
Allan.
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11th March 2012, 11:41 AM #24
i have a $500 minimum charge, for one small log its cheaper to buy the timber.
however most of teh time people still get it done for 2 reasons.
1. the log has sentimental value
2. if they buy the timber they still have to pay to have the log removed.
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11th March 2012, 11:45 AM #25
mine is 2 cube minimum plus travel
I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
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11th March 2012, 12:53 PM #26Senior Member
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I also do $500 minimum and offer to get a log transported if it is not worth coming out for.
On the subject of unexperienced millers...
You have to start somewhere, at least people here are trying to learn and get questions answered. You need some experienced millers onboard this forum, for inspiration and advise, most members are here to learn though. In the end it comes down to experience but this is a great place to learn in theory.
I think your rates have to be based on the experience you have and the machinery you are running. I doubt a beginner would charge the same rate as a professional, in the beginning I was only comfortable charging by the cubic meter of sawn boards. Trying to always cut quality boards I did not always get much cut in a day. After about 300 hrs on my mill I felt I could do an hourly rate as well. Still making sure the customer is not paying too much for the timber, if logs are not worth it I prefer not to mill them.
Also, I really appreciate the experienced/professional millers sharing their knowledge on this forum. Thanks! Since I run a Lucas for me the input from "you and your mate" have been quite handy, if you've got an other mill I suspect there are other members with better input.
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11th March 2012, 10:16 PM #27
I have deleted a few of the posts as they are getting out of hand. Please keep posts on topic and not personal
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