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  1. #31
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    Some good points right through this thread and I agree in most areas. My 2 cents....
    i agree with Carl totally on all points he's made, I will point that out first.
    I own an LT40 super hydraulic Woodmizer (51hp) and a portable twin blade edger (19hp). Lucky me but that in 2007 was 80k worth of machines compared to a 20k Lucas which with 2 men on each cutting team will cut about 4 cube of timber per day if they were cutting in the same log yard.
    As Carl claims he would have to sharpen twice in that day with his Lucas, I may use up to 8 blades in that same day depending on logs. At the end of that day a Lucas owner wins as far as I'm concerned because he is putting his feet up with a beer watching the sun set... where am I? In the shed sharpening for the next day!!
    i run my blades at 2.2mm kerf, a Lucas is what 6 or 7mm, big deal, I might need less logs to come up with the same numbers in a day.
    I will point out I have used a Lucas on several occasions, it took a few days to get my head around cutting with it and they are a simpler machine to understand and maintain than a Woodmizer which is full of electronics and solonoids and hydraulics and computers and the list goes on... Trouble shooting is far more difficult.
    Sharpening.... Once you get hold of the basic principles of sharpening a Lucas it's not that hard. Bandsaw... I've owned it for 7 years and I'm still learning and experimenting. It's takes ALOT longer to master bandsaw blades.

    Ok, I could keep going but... Apples are apples. What are you using the machine for? Professional or weekend warrior?
    For me, I am a deep thinker and have a "technical" mind, so the adventure of understanding bandsaws appealed to me. If you want to keep it simple, a swing blade wins hands down.
    80k Woodmizer,20k Lucas..... Same productivity.... You do the math.


    Nifty

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    Over the last two weeks I had to cut some very small logs and some pieces that were really only billets.

    Just some pictures to show what was quite easy with the bandsaw.

    misc T 002.jpgtulip 001.jpgtulip 008.jpg

    There are more picture of the two small logs on the Tulip Wood thread.

    Then I had some billets of Bull Oak that were 600mm long and I just wanted to square up so I had something handy to work with on the Jointer and Triton saw.

    Bull oak 003.jpgBull oak 001.jpgBull oak 002.jpg

    I had anticipated trouble as Bull Oak is notoriously hard and we had previously measured the moisture content at less than 10%, but the saw didn't seem to mind. I had to make an additional bearer for the mill from timber as the bearer spacing as around 1200mm

    It was not the same story with Berlin's small spotted gum logs. These were also very dry, although I have not measured the moisture content. As soon as the blade touched the log it grabbed hold of the timber and tried to shake it to death. Stupidly, instead of backing off, I persevered and within 150mm I half destroyed the blade. Initially I thought I must have hit a foreign body and I may have done but I did not find anything.

    I looked at the blade and it had lost about ten teeth and bent another half dozen at right angles to the blade.

    My take is that the aggressive hook angle I use was quite unsuited to the dry dense timber although as I mentioned previously, the Bull Oak, which is equally dense, went OK.

    As an exercise I cut a veneer 3mm thick off a green spotty log:

    spotty 3 001.jpgspotty 3 002.jpgspotty 3 003.jpg

    In the last pic the veneer is standing vertically between the "B" and "U" of "Bushmill." .

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    Paul
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    Default Thanks again

    Thanks to Bushmiller and all the others that commented here on the differences in operation and end use between the bandsaw and circular saw mills. After reading this info I decided to change tack and look for either a Lucas or Peterson mill and after missing a couple on our TradeMe auction site in NZ I finally have got my hands on a well cared for low hours 400 odd Lucas 618 mill.

    Bought it home yesterday after a two day 1100km round trip to collect (thats a long way in our wee country) have set her up and in the process of doing a full service on her.

    I'll be going right through this sub forum reading all the relevant posts regards the Lucas hopefully it will minimise the questions a little.

    Anyway thanks again everyone for the information you all provided, if anyone has some interesting reading or sites you feel I should have a look at would appreciate the links.

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    phill - northland NZ

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    Well done Phil.

    What we may not have mentioned is that this advice didn't come for free, but we are prepared to accept lots of milling pix in lieu of payment .

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    Paul
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    Terrific news Phil!!!

    I loved my 6-18 was a grand machine, cut most of my family home with it - unfortunately I didn't manage to keep hold of him, selling him off 12 months before getting a divorce......if only I knew....anyway mate, you will love it they are a great model the 6-18 - have a bit of a soft spot for them

    I've put a thread up on another forum about a bunch of my personal 'fixes' to all things Lucas, don't think its cool to link it in another forum, but most the info is on here too, just have a search using "lucas" you will get a heap of good stuff.

    And again mate - congrats
    I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
    Allan.

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    Thanks for the comments guys. This morning I did a service on the engine & gearbox, replacing the fluids as well as oil and air filters, then put a small windblown branch of poplar under her, to have a bit of a play, about 400mm diameter all good.

    first photo is collecting the mill fitted really well in trailer, but I feel a ute of some sort coming on, will make a few mods such as fitting the small wheels opposite the main dolly wheels, can see that would really help with loading. Other photos are at the end of the first milling.

    This log was but a branch off one of three recent windblown poplar trees the main trunks would be all of 1mtr diameter and easily 10 or so meters long, paddock is still a little wet to work in so will be a job nearer xmas, also have an acacia trunk which fell over 18 months ago this would be 1200mm diameter and 10 or so meters long so a bit of work lined up. Now just need to find a log and have a go with the slabber as well.
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    Well milled Phil. Please consider that the first installment paid .

    The Poplar and Acacia logs are a really good size. Half your luck .

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    Paul
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    I like that you have a truck load off logs with it!

    You'll have a lot of fun.

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