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    Quote Originally Posted by spray-tech View Post
    Paul, this is a great topic your've created here!!, me being a bit of a newbie to bandsaw milling & drying my own timber there's so much to learn.
    It requires a bit of effort to take & upload photos, type up detailed descriptions, answer questions etc etc. I appreciate the time your putting into this.

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    Where a bouts in south west VIC are you Dean? Happy to meet up, share a brew and discuss various methods if you're within reasonable distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    Is it possible to get longer prongs for your moisture testing thingy?

    long enough to reach the centre of the stack?
    Nick

    You have prempted my thoughts on this one, but in a way you are on the right track. I pointed earlier to my sample boards being in the middle of the stack and they are, but to be truly in the centre they have to be the middle board (my stack has seven boards across).

    Clearly it is arduous to dismantle the stack, but the meter certainly won't reach in there. A way of getting around this is to put two nails in the timber in advance when building the stack. By the way the measurement is always across the grain and never with the grain. Another little point I forgot to mention .

    However if you drive two nails into the timber one or both of two things will occur. You may split the timber but, more importantly, you will still only measure moisture content at the surface. The trick is to drill a pilot hole for the nail and a generous clearance hole also down to the depth you wish to measure at. The nail will need a protective sheathing over it down to the depth at which you are measuring.

    I plan to use a couple of masonary nails and some shrink wrap that the electicians use. In this way the resistence can now be measured deep in the timber. Then it is a simple trick to attach a couple of wires with alligator clips or similar on each end. These can be left in the stack and attached to the pins or knives of your moisture meter when required.

    Easy . As long as you remember to do this as the stack build progresses. When I bring the remaining timber back and add it to the stack I will lift the middle board from the top levels and put some nails in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ's Timber View Post
    Where a bouts in south west VIC are you Dean? Happy to meet up, share a brew and discuss various methods if you're within reasonable distance.
    Great idea DJ, PM sent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    A two metre cant hook comes in very useful when you are by yourself, but not as useful as a tractor with forks on the back. As you can see it rolled off badly and I had to lift it onto the bearers.

    More to come.

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    Bit late on this thread but couldn't help noticing the old fordson. Boy are they well built just keep on going. I got one rusting away, no brakes only running on 3 cylinders I think #4 has been removed, absolut 0 compression. I love her. she never lets me down still powers along with a 7' slasher and drags anything.

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    Having talked about placing sample boards in the centre of the pile and the method by which measurement can be taken I decided to knock up a test to give a better indication of how this can be achieved. Firstly I had to "clad" the masonry nail with some sheathing off electrical cabling. It was a bit of an effort getting the sheathing of the wire and then also pushing it onto the nail.

    I persevered with removing from the cable, but with pushing it onto the nail I drilled a clearance hole in a piece of scrap and tapped the nail down with a hammer (third pic).

    Moisture Measurement 004.jpgMoisture Measurement 001.jpgMoisture Measurement 002.jpgMoisture Measurement 003.jpg

    Then I took some readings on a piece of Forest Red Gum that I had cut from the boards in the stack. You can see the reading from the "B" scale shows 13.5% on the nails (deep in the board) and about 14% at the surface via the handle.

    Moisture Measurement 012.jpgMoisture Measurement 010.jpg

    So pretty even. I then grabbed the sample board for the Spotty out of the stack.

    Moisture Measurement 008.jpgMoisture Measurement 007.jpgMoisture Measurement 006.jpgMoisture Measurement 013.jpgMoisture Measurement 009.jpg

    The readings:

    Handle (Knives) 49%
    Handle (Pins) 43%
    Nails (Surface) 43%
    Nails (Deep sheathed) >70%
    Nails (Deep Bare) >70%

    This is very much what I expected. I had some concerns making up the wires with the alligator clips. Firstly that the joints had to be sound and the wires the same length and reasonably short or a false reading (low) could be obtained by increased resistance within the wire.

    I took reading with nails just tapped into the surface to verify that my wires were reading accurately within reason and having regard to the crudeness of the testing process. The nail on the surface and the handles were similar indicating to me the wires were acceptable.

    Secondly, I am not convinced about the need for sheathing the nail. Consequently I took a reading with the naked nail driven deep into the timber. Although this came up the same (greater than 70%) the results will not be conclusive until a reading can be made down around the 30% mark as moisture meters are not really designed to be accurate at the top end of the scale. Having said that my meter has three scales so it may be better than a single scale meter.

    It is however interesting to note the huge difference in moisture between the surface and the centre even on a 50mm board.

    I will use some more flexible wire next time as the single strand was hard and a real pain. Also to provide good grip on the metal of the nail for the alligator clip about 5mm needs to be left bare at the top. Lastly the nail can't protrude further from the timber than the depth of the stickers (obvious really )

    Well I've got to get back to some real work, as opposed to play work, before SWMBO returns and demands to know what I have been doing .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Creeper View Post



    Bit late on this thread but couldn't help noticing the old fordson. Boy are they well built just keep on going. I got one rusting away, no brakes only running on 3 cylinders I think #4 has been removed, absolut 0 compression. I love her. she never lets me down still powers along with a 7' slasher and drags anything.
    Sorry Tim

    Your post slipped by me and I have only just noticed it. To make full use of a two metre cant hook you actually have to be about 6' 10" tall like one of my colleagues at work. Not being quite 6', I have to take advantage of the ground where I can.

    The old tractor is not a Fordson, although I quite understand why you might think that from the rear view. It is in fact an International 624 which is not very common in Oz. It is a similar size to the 574. In it's day, about 1975, it was quite advanced with a full synchromesh gearbox and powershift transmission. Alas poor old Max has seen better days. No bonnet and a massive radiator pinched from a Ford 5000 truck make her look like something out of Mad Max. Pretty she is not!

    An improvised bracket/box and manual 5 tonne winch on the front ahead of the radiator do nothing to enhance the looks. When I am travelling steep hills I load the front box with used car batteries for additional weight. Unfortunately International didn't seem to think power steering was necessary and in it's normal guise I suppose it isn't. When loaded up with a few hundred kilos of ballast ahead of the front axle you have to be a much stronger person than I to do the steering justice .

    I might take a photo next time so everyone can have a laugh and those who have taken time off from watching the paint dry won't think it is time wasted .

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    PAUL!!!!!

    knowing myself how long it takes to compile the pictures and commentary for threads like this, cheers mate!!! bloody good read, I have to admit when I saw bandsaw in the title, I had glazed over the thread in the past - a bad habit I have developed from being on the US forum, as they are almost exclusively band millers, but I'm pleased I had the day off and gave it a good read!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post

    Sorry Tim

    Your post slipped by me and I have only just noticed it. To make full use of a two metre cant hook you actually have to be about 6' 10" tall like one of my colleagues at work. Not being quite 6', I have to take advantage of the ground where I can.

    The old tractor is not a Fordson, although I quite understand why you might think that from the rear view. It is in fact an International 624 which is not very common in Oz. It is a similar size to the 574. In it's day, about 1975, it was quite advanced with a full synchromesh gearbox and powershift transmission. Alas poor old Max has seen better days. No bonnet and a massive radiator pinched from a Ford 5000 truck make her look like something out of Mad Max. Pretty she is not!

    An improvised bracket/box and manual 5 tonne winch on the front ahead of the radiator do nothing to enhance the looks. When I am travelling steep hills I load the front box with used car batteries for additional weight. Unfortunately International didn't seem to think power steering was necessary and in it's normal guise I suppose it isn't. When loaded up with a few hundred kilos of ballast ahead of the front axle you have to be a much stronger person than I to do the steering justice .

    I might take a photo next time so everyone can have a laugh and those who have taken time off from watching the paint dry won't think it is time wasted .

    Regards
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    Woops tricked me Paul. An inter; ay. Well i never, and rare at that. That said I Can't help myself so here's some picks of my ol' marvel. My Fordson 14-06-13 (1).jpgMy Fordson 14-06-13 (3).jpgMy Fordson 05-03-10 (8).jpg

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    Tim

    That's a beast. I always feel that the old tractors look bigger (physically) than their modern equivalents. I see you have some car tyres on the front wheels too .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Creeper View Post
    Woops tricked me Paul. An inter; ay. Well i never, and rare at that. That said I Can't help myself so here's some picks of my ol' marvel.
    I reckon there's too much tread on that right hand tyre for a real workin' tractor
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    i reacon its the odd mudguards that really set that monster apart from the pack
    cheers pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1thumb View Post
    i reacon its the odd mudguards that really set that monster apart from the pack
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    Odd or uneven? I think one mudguard has been sat upon . Wait till I post a pick of Max !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
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    Odd or uneven? I think one mudguard has been sat upon . Wait till I post a pick of Max !

    Regards
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    coul be Bushmiller,the angle of the pic makes it hard to tell,looking forward to pictures of max.will see if i can find some pics of my weapon of choice.

    ps really interesting thread by the by
    cheers pat

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    Now fellas, I'm glad you've all been amused but we must be careful not to hurt her feelings. As for the mudgaurds; they are original. One's been sort of fixed the other has collapsed (just a bit). Another one of those jobs that just doesn't seem to get done.
    Tim

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