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    Hi guys , a word of warning though if you expect to get any repairs backup , refunds , warranty or parts from these pricks , dream on , i got stung recently with a inverter welder , which lasted 3 packets of 2.5mm rods $200 down the drain , if you do a search on these pricks , you will find out what scumbags they are . Cheers MM

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    Quote Originally Posted by matildasmate View Post
    Hi guys , a word of warning though if you expect to get any repairs backup , refunds , warranty or parts from these pricks , dream on , i got stung recently with a inverter welder , which lasted 3 packets of 2.5mm rods $200 down the drain , if you do a search on these pricks , you will find out what scumbags they are . Cheers MM
    In terms of the $ spent I don't see what you have to complain about. On average I wouldn't expect a $200 inverter welder to last for much more than 3 packets of 2.5 rods - ask over in the welding forum what they think about cheap inverters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    In terms of the $ spent I don't see what you have to complain about. On average I wouldn't expect a $200 inverter welder to last for much more than 3 packets of 2.5 rods - ask over in the welding forum what they think about cheap inverters.
    A worthwhile point, although I doubt it will remove the bitter taste from MM's mouth.
    Many people do not realise that for an extra $100 to $150 you could buy a mame brand inverter welder with a warranty that holds up, (you probably will not need the warranty though).
    Ebay is not always cheap, as with all things one must do the research first.
    I just don't understand how some companies continue to trade in a most devious way, although I guess you can rip off everybody at least once!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Robbers View Post
    A worthwhile point, although I doubt it will remove the bitter taste from MM's mouth.
    Sure but I always thought MM was a pretty sharp sort of a fella.

    Many people do not realise that for an extra $100 to $150 you could buy a mame brand inverter welder with a warranty that holds up, (you probably will not need the warranty though).
    Ebay is not always cheap, as with all things one must do the research first.
    I just don't understand how some companies continue to trade in a most devious way, although I guess you can rip off everybody at least once!
    The fact that these companies continue to rip people off is an indication of how greedy they are and how gullible a lot of consumers are. For everyone that stands up to these buggers there are a dozen who take the bait. Many used car dealers and some mechanics and tradies are the same and I really dislike the way they take advantage of women and pensioners by bamboozling them with technobabble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Sure but I always thought MM was a pretty sharp sort of a fella.



    The fact that these companies continue to rip people off is an indication of how greedy they are and how gullible a lot of consumers are. For everyone that stands up to these buggers there are a dozen who take the bait. Many used car dealers and some mechanics and tradies are the same and I really dislike the way they take advantage of women and pensioners by bamboozling them with technobabble.
    Yeah well , I was about as sharp as a blunt stick on this occasion , but at least I was willing to share this info with me mates at the forum . my next welder purchase will be a Boc MMA 170 inverter welder , from the local guy . I had to go back to using me old cigweld arc welder today , its a good welder , but you cant beat a DC welder , smoother welds easier to start , light to shift . I included a pic of the future welder , also one of AGR contact details for anyone that desperate . Cheers MM

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    Quote Originally Posted by matildasmate View Post
    Hi guys , a word of warning though if you expect to get any repairs backup , refunds , warranty or parts from these pricks , dream on , i got stung recently with a inverter welder , which lasted 3 packets of 2.5mm rods $200 down the drain , if you do a search on these pricks , you will find out what scumbags they are . Cheers MM
    Not to try to excuse anything but PLENTY of people buy a $200 welder which has a short duty cycle and then think they can weld for 30 minutes without barely a stop except to change rods and still expect the machine to keep on going for years. Duty cycle is important but many people don't have a clue about sticking to it. I think this is where ALOT of the problems lie in the cheaper spectrum of welders. No one likes to stop once started, especially for 10-15 minutes as usually required at least for the duty cycle to be satisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montiee View Post
    Not to try to excuse anything but PLENTY of people buy a $200 welder which has a short duty cycle and then think they can weld for 30 minutes without barely a stop except to change rods and still expect the machine to keep on going for years. Duty cycle is important but many people don't have a clue about sticking to it. I think this is where ALOT of the problems lie in the cheaper spectrum of welders. No one likes to stop once started, especially for 10-15 minutes as usually required at least for the duty cycle to be satisfied.
    I agree - I was the same when I pretty green about cheap power tools and bought a $99 ally tranny welder. But it wasn't just the duty cycle (4 continuous rods). The clamps disintegrated about a month after warranty ran out and the cables were too short for most work. I foolishly spend $70 on new cables and clamps and added some big heat sinks, but then one of the form members gave me an old solid copper tranny welder on permanent loan that seems to be able to keep up with what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montiee View Post
    Not to try to excuse anything but PLENTY of people buy a $200 welder which has a short duty cycle and then think they can weld for 30 minutes without barely a stop except to change rods and still expect the machine to keep on going for years. Duty cycle is important but many people don't have a clue about sticking to it. I think this is where ALOT of the problems lie in the cheaper spectrum of welders. No one likes to stop once started, especially for 10-15 minutes as usually required at least for the duty cycle to be satisfied.
    Thats one of the reasons I bought this welder 100% duty cycle @ 120 amp , 35% duty cycle @ 200amp . I only ran it between 80 and 91 amps , it has a digital readout and overload protection . Not that it needed overload protection , because it stopped welding , no overloads ever . It was a great welder while it worked , sheet happens , forget the post mortems , Im done with ebay welders . Cheers MM

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    GOT ONE OFF EBAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO .TOKEN TOOLS , INSPIRES CONFIDENCE DOESNT IT???? has been really good but only running 10g ocasionally , mostly 12g but all day welding machinery and sheds etc . was a direct copy??? of boc model , or vice versa.at the time was around 350 $ good dc machine . weighs nearly as much as the leads . just climb the ladder with it on your shoulder . cheers Bob

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    Please would a moderator KILL this thread, if we do not know by now that buying these pieces of rubbish off fleabay is fraught with disaster we never will!!!

    HONESTLY, DO NOT WASTE YOUR HARD EARNED ON THIS CARP!!!!!!!!
    I am told that sharpening handsaws is a dying art.... this must mean I am an artisan.

    Get your handsaws sharpened properly to the highest possible standard, the only way they should be done, BY HAND, BY ME!!! I only accept perfection in any saw I sharpen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matildasmate View Post
    Yeah well , I was about as sharp as a blunt stick on this occasion , but at least I was willing to share this info with me mates at the forum . my next welder purchase will be a Boc MMA 170 inverter welder , from the local guy . I had to go back to using me old cigweld arc welder today , its a good welder , but you cant beat a DC welder , smoother welds easier to start , light to shift . I included a pic of the future welder , also one of AGR contact details for anyone that desperate . Cheers MM
    WHY buy a BOC??? they are ordinary at best! I would buy lincoln, fronius or a host of others (even uni mig) over a BOC/kempii
    I am told that sharpening handsaws is a dying art.... this must mean I am an artisan.

    Get your handsaws sharpened properly to the highest possible standard, the only way they should be done, BY HAND, BY ME!!! I only accept perfection in any saw I sharpen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Edwards View Post
    WHY buy a BOC??? they are ordinary at best! I would buy lincoln, fronius or a host of others (even uni mig) over a BOC/kempii
    Thats your opinion and not much of one either , doh doh doh

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    Kemppi's are great machines - well built and very reliable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Edwards View Post
    Please would a moderator KILL this thread ...
    Why? To what end?
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    Ya get what ya pay for big thumbs up to the man on the DC welding a big brown steamer on agrmachinery cheap saw is one thing cheap welders some thing else if I was buying for home oh wait I did I d got the CIG 170 but if it was for trade use I d go Esab ,Liclon and Keppi

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    Speaking as a Boilermaker with 20 odd years in the trade the comment I would make regarding welders is along the lines that many manufacturers have both good and bad models and choice should be based upon a demonstration of the machine - particularly when buying a MIG. Duty cycle is very important and dependant upon what the intended usage is and does vary with the quality of the power supply, long extension leads are a killer. Be aware that there are 3 time periods that I am aware of when measuring the duty cycle 5 minutes 10 minutes and 60 minutes, as you can see a 30% duty cycle would equate to 1.5 minutes, 3 minutes and 18 minutes respectively. Also bear in mind that the highest duty cycle achieved during stick welding is considered to be around 60%, (time lost chipping slag and changing electrodes etc).
    To be honest I feel that many people have gone inverter crazy when choosing a welder. Yes, they are nice and portable and weld very smootly, however the average home welder will be just as well served by a decent transformer welder, preferably copper coiled, that will supply a genuine 120-160 amps. Often these machines are seen for sale quite cheaply. Inverters, being a DC power source as opposed to a transformers AC output, can bring certain annoyances along with their benefits and honestly, how many people ever use them to run a scratch start TIG.
    As with most things, price has tempered quality so the best way is to try before you buy.
    I realise that this is a milling forum but the conversation has gravitated in this direction so heres my 2 cents worth.

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