Thread: how to legally cart logs?

i did not mean this to turn into a sloging match i was jsut trying to make a point that i do not endanger peoples lives or do anything unlawfully.

i have never accused anyone of not doing the right thing just trying to defend my and others actions. if it saves someone money from not having to buy a specailised truck/trailer to cart logs then that is also good. any money not spent on unessasary transpotation machinery can be spent on unnessasary workshop machinery.

i have well and truly made my point and inter can continue to transport logs whatever way he wants but i have nothing more to say on the matter.

DJ's whether or not there is any inter department co-operation or co-ordination in any state is really unkown & by the looks of what has surfaced here probably not, but if an serious accident were to occur in QLD transporting any forest product these are the WHS obligations that should have been followed http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/workplace...rest/index.htm
and could be prosecuted under. As usual nothing is simple as following one rule, regulation or code & some overide others but all have to be read in conjunction & risks accessed, key words are minimum bench marks & codes of practice, there is always an alternative method available which does not restrict industry, but if anybody were to wind up in court they would have to show how & why their method was better than the engineered industry standard & prove that it was better , but if your in court at this stage you have already proven that your method has not worked. There is no mention of one offs, adhoc, hobbiest or proffesional in the QLD law only "imposing workplace health and safety obligations on certain persons who may affect the health and safety of others by their acts or omissions" maybe in VIC it could be different
OHS & training in OHS whatever industry is law these days & OHS is governed by each state and is Law under an ACT of parliament, just the same as the police ACT etc , so if the law is broken by the way of a serous injury or fatality your in deep deep poop
regards inter

carl, inter doesn't cart logs.That's why we're so deep in this discussion

so i took my trailer with a laod of logs on into main roads today.

they had no problems with it the way i had it. they said there are no regulations for the transpotation of certain materials so long as they are adiquitely restrained all is good.

i got the bloke to stick it on the scales and it turend out i had it over loaded. it grosed 2.2 ton when it is rated to 2 ton. so i roled one small log off and put it on teh back of the ute..

my father carted logs for 4 of the local mills for 50 years up untill they all shut down. he knows what he is doing.

carl, inter doesn't cart logs.That's why we're so deep in this discussion

Originally Posted by weisyboy

i have well and truly made my point and inter can continue to transport logs whatever way he wants but i have nothing more to say on the matter.

i thought you didn't have any more to say

Now im done.



I swear.

There still seems to be a selective reading disorder happening here!!!!
It has been clearly pointed out that in Queensland DEIR, WHS, QLD are the Dept that handle the safe transportation of forest products ( logs ) & are not concerned what the cost is to do something safely or whether you have been doing it the wrong way for "X" years ( ie timber bolsters ) or "X" loads , I can tell you though if your not carrying logs in a secure way ie bolsters with stanchions or in a tipper body where they cant escape, its not if your ever going to lose a load, its just a matter of when you will lose it.
I do have my logs transported on the odd occasion and in the correct way because I know of my liability under thew NSW Workcover law, if I had to transport my logs on a standard table top I would just go & hire a pair of bolsters with stanchions I can get from a local mill for small & half loads, which have been designed for that purpose
Regards inter

Originally Posted by InterTD6

There still seems to be a selective reading disorder happening here!!!!
It has been clearly pointed out that in Queensland DEIR, WHS, QLD are the Dept that handle the safe transportation of forest products ( logs ) & are not concerned what the cost is to do something safely or whether you have been doing it the wrong way for "X" years ( ie timber bolsters ) or "X" loads , I can tell you though if your not carrying logs in a secure way ie bolsters with stanchions or in a tipper body where they cant escape, its not if your ever going to lose a load, its just a matter of when you will lose it.
I do have my logs transported on the odd occasion and in the correct way because I know of my liability under thew NSW Workcover law, if I had to transport my logs on a standard table top I would just go & hire a pair of bolsters with stanchions I can get from a local mill for small & half loads, which have been designed for that purpose
Regards inter

Inter

The following statement on the front page of the document you link to (which is a code of practice) indicates that the code is not mandatory but that the way to deal with liability under the Queensland Workplace Safety Act is either to follow the code or to adopt an equally safe way of dealing with the risk:

If there is a code of practice stating a way of managing exposure to a risk:
(a) the stated way must be adopted and followed to manage the exposure to the risk; or
(b) an alternative way, that gives the same level of protection against the risk, must be adopted and followed.

If you know the NSW law as well as you appear to know the Queensland law, you should get someone else to tell you the law.

this used to be a great site but know that the internet lawers are taking over and it is simply boring, I think we all get the picture by now, lets get back to milling. I believe this thread should be moved to the saftey section. I do not want to offend anyone here but why bring down what was a great forum.

kind regards JR

JR !!! I thought you'd been shot!

If you find this thread boring don't read it. How hard is that?
There's plenty of other stuff.

Personally, I find it amusing

Ian

Originally Posted by InterTD6

I do have my logs transported on the odd occasion and in the correct way because I know of my liability under thew NSW Workcover law, if I had to transport my logs on a standard table top I would just go & hire a pair of bolsters with stanchions I can get from a local mill for small & half loads, which have been designed for that purpose
Regards inter

inter ,if you have a good relationship with the local mill that allows you to hire out their gear that's great,but i don't know of many mills that resemble a plant hire company around here.

Good grief enough already

ok