Thread: how to legally cart logs?

Originally Posted by Stopper

Time to move on guys.

cheers
Steve

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Agree

Just before you guys give up, just a reminder that Inter's info was not the Load Restraint Guidelines (which although Federal, are part of co-operative federalism and should be part of Qld law (they are in NSW)) but the Qld OHS rules that he said had the prescriptive requirement for bolsters and stanchions. So the issue is not resolved by talking to the roads/transport people but also the worksafe guys.

Hooray!

thank goodness for portable sawmills !!! no carting . although im certain there are a simple set of rules ???? if you can be bothered finding them . seriously if you work safe and keep an eye out for any problems it all seems to go pretty well . cheers bob











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it is stil easyer to cart teh logs to the mill than take the mill to the logs.

Seeing that I have been accused of accusing
lets review some of what has been said
exador "I've been through Transport Dept mobile inspections with a load on and the only thing they were concerned about was whether the chains and dogs were in test (they weren't ). They just told me to go and get it done."

(There is no requirement for transport chains, hooks, dogs, binders or whatever to be "in test" Yes they have to tested by the manufacturer & be a required strength, show safe working loads or in the case of chains have the links stamped. Or in your case of using gear of unknown strength, age & origin have them tested, recorded & stamped)

He actually has just admitted that he has not used the correct chains & dogs to restrain his load & luckily enough not been nailed, so much for following the load restraint guide & not endangering others, so where did the chains & dogs come from a garage sale?
Not that I have ever referred to the restraint guide anyway this is what I referred to
http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/workplace...logs/index.htm
& as you & your friends in QLD are commercially carting logs this applies to you & if there is some confusion take your loaded truck down to their office that handles logging & see what they say
Inter

Originally Posted by InterTD6

& as you & your friends in QLD are commercially carting logs this applies to you & if there is some confusion take your loaded truck down to their office that handles logging & see what they say
Inter

Originally Posted by InterTD6

(There is no requirement for transport chains, hooks, dogs, binders or whatever to be "in test" Yes they have to tested by the manufacturer & be a required strength, show safe working loads or in the case of chains have the links stamped. Or in your case of using gear of unknown strength, age & origin have them tested, recorded & stamped)

i think you will find that chains and binders have to be tested once in a wile. oly when used on loads over a certain weight. i may be rong but this used to be the case.

He actually has just admitted that he has not used the correct chains & dogs to restrain his load & luckily enough not been nailed, so much for following the load restraint guide & not endangering others

just cos the chains wernt in test how is that endagering others im sure the chains were in good condition and i dont remember him saying that he folowed the guide just that it was a guide to guide you not a set of fixed rules.

so where did the chains & dogs come from a garage sale?

what dose where he got them matter. i have chains that are old as the hills that have had the weight stamps worn off them from use that i had to take to get tested.

Originally Posted by InterTD6

Seeing that I have been accused of accusing
lets review some of what has been said
exador "I've been through Transport Dept mobile inspections with a load on and the only thing they were concerned about was whether the chains and dogs were in test (they weren't ). They just told me to go and get it done."

(There is no requirement for transport chains, hooks, dogs, binders or whatever to be "in test" Yes they have to tested by the manufacturer & be a required strength, show safe working loads or in the case of chains have the links stamped. Or in your case of using gear of unknown strength, age & origin have them tested, recorded & stamped)

I'll try and work out what that gobbledegook means...

The Load restraint guide calls for specific performance criteria to be met, based on the weight of the load. My chains are all minimum 5t lifting chains and I have a couple of 10t lengths. i carry no more than 5t on the truck which means my chains meet the performance criteria. The Transport Dept fellow was unconcerned, other than reminding me that they should be tested and marked or the markings made clear, so that their compliance was easy to determine. The markings on the dogs were simply obscured at the time by a bit of mud.

He actually has just admitted that he has not used the correct chains & dogs to restrain his load & luckily enough not been nailed, so much for following the load restraint guide & not endangering others, so where did the chains & dogs come from a garage sale?

I haven't said anything of the kind. Reading and comprehension aren't your strong suit are they? I always use appropriate gear and I've never lost any part of a load of my logs. So much for "endangering others".

You stick with getting someone who knows what they're doing to cart your logs, because the task is obviously too much for you to grasp. I suspect you'd just be a danger to yourself.

Not that I have ever referred to the restraint guide anyway this is what I referred to
http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/workplace...logs/index.htm
& as you & your friends in QLD are commercially carting logs this applies to you & if there is some confusion take your loaded truck down to their office that handles logging & see what they say
Inter

That is the Forest Harvesting code: it does not apply. I don't do "logging", I do ad hoc cartage of logs using a crane truck.
Ask someone who can read and comprehend to explain the difference.

I can't understand why a disagreement between people has become the largest post on this forum?

In the immortal words of Derryn - "Shame, Shame, Shame!"

Everyone has their own opinions, can that be accepted and left there?

How bad do you think it looks to other people/clients/potential customers referred to this site to find out information concerning the knowledge we have regarding milling of timber, when they get here and take a look at the biggest thread on the whole Small Timber Milling forum to find it's just a petty disagreement between folkes who don't seem to want to let it go?

I know we just want to put information out there and hope that our information at least saves someone time/effort. But bickering backwards and forwards, taking digs at each other that's not saving anyone anything, it just waters down the standard for the forum...

Anyway - told ya no-one wants to hear what I have to say about it; off my soap box now.

We seem to be going around in circles here.
Time to let it rest.

Originally Posted by sigidi

i can't understand why a disagreement between people has become the largest post on this forum?

In the immortal words of derryn - "shame, shame, shame!"

everyone has their own opinions, can that be accepted and left there?

How bad do you think it looks to other people/clients/potential customers referred to this site to find out information concerning the knowledge we have regarding milling of timber, when they get here and take a look at the biggest thread on the whole small timber milling forum to find it's just a petty disagreement between folkes who don't seem to want to let it go?

I know we just want to put information out there and hope that our information at least saves someone time/effort. But bickering backwards and forwards, taking digs at each other that's not saving anyone anything, it just waters down the standard for the forum...

Anyway - told ya no-one wants to hear what i have to say about it; off my soap box now.

Couldn't agree more!!!!

This all could save someones life one day, even your own.
Regards inter