Thread: Any milling value in this timber?

Is it valuable, yes. Will you make a lot of money from it, probably no.

Standing dead does not mean dry, it will still have high moisture away from the surface. It would probably be good timber as slabs or structural timber, but will still need to be cut, stacked and dried before useful to someone.

I'll leave it to others to provide costs of milling it.

Originally Posted by dai sensei

Is it valuable, yes. Will you make a lot of money from it, probably no.

Standing dead does not mean dry, it will still have high moisture away from the surface. It would probably be good timber as slabs or structural timber, but will still need to be cut, stacked and dried before useful to someone.

I'll leave it to others to provide costs of milling it.

Cheers Neil. In that case it's probably best for me to cut it for firewood. Appreciate your info.

You coul save some of the best logs and you could have a local mobile miller cut it ?

it would be a lot easier to give you some ideas with some pics of the logs you are talkin about

Most hardwood is sold green. Only furniture grade and high structural grades are sold dried and that is usually kiln dried.
Sawn green hardwood would be worth about $1000m3 wholesale.

Value is pretty much determined by two things....

One: How much are you willing to sell it for?
Two: How much is someone willing to give you for it?

If those two things get close enough to the same value, then you'll probably sell it. If not, well.....you got to think about what you'd like to build with it.



Photo's of said log(s) would be helpful....





Scott (I like freebie logs) B

Originally Posted by rustynail

Most hardwood is sold green. Only furniture grade and high structural grades are sold dried and that is usually kiln dried.
Sawn green hardwood would be worth about $1000m3 wholesale.

be nice if we could get retail $1k/m3 for green hardwood up here

Originally Posted by Sigidi

be nice if we could get retail $1k/m3 for green hardwood up here

Surely good quality hardwood would be worth more than a grand a cube retail? Its starting price down here. Dried stuff is pulling $2100.

Originally Posted by rustynail

Surely good quality hardwood would be worth more than a grand a cube retail? Its starting price down here. Dried stuff is pulling $2100.

It should be worth more than a grand a cube...nothing easy about milling and handling hardwoods...that's why i am reluctant to mill hardwoods these days...alot of work for little money... when the trees run out,maybe then, we will see the price of hardwoods rise...

I guess the other thing that needs to be taken into account are the royalties payable. Maybe cost of log is much lower in Qld. As you say, its pretty hard work and to mech up to a level where it becomes easy requires a reasonable return. I must admit though, I would much rather cut hardwood all day than grub stumps and try to dodge the rocks...But each to his own. One good way of value adding is to find specific customers for a given specie. For instance,
carving up Tallowood to scantling, when a window maker would take what ever he could get and be happy to pay for quality.

Originally Posted by rustynail

Surely good quality hardwood would be worth more than a grand a cube retail? Its starting price down here. Dried stuff is pulling $2100.

Structural green hardwood is over the $1k/m3 mark.
Feedstock (good feedstock) for decking and flooring is $850/m3 at best.
Doesn't matter how good your quality is for fencing/landscape timber it is around $800/m3 - even if it's cut well enought to make structural grade
At that is selling retail to end user - not wholesale (other than the feedstock of course)

As for milling it - I hate doing pine, detest it!!! but love slicing the hwd's

and log price, you are lucky to get logs delivered for $200/m3, more often than not it is $200+ at a dump in the paddock.

Sounds like your retail is about our wholesale. But that depends on what we refer to as wholesale. A lot of end users are still classed as wholesale. Resellers are happy enough to pay a grand a cube for structural. Some have long standing arrangements with mills that supply for better rate, but they are large volume users and are too big for us anyway. As for feedstock, the price is low, so we try to generate as little as possible. Our royalties are about $50/m3 above yours. Fuel price would be the reason for that.

Originally Posted by rustynail

Sounds like your retail is about our wholesale. But that depends on what we refer to as wholesale. A lot of end users are still classed as wholesale. Resellers are happy enough to pay a grand a cube for structural. Some have long standing arrangements with mills that supply for better rate, but they are large volume users and are too big for us anyway. As for feedstock, the price is low, so we try to generate as little as possible. Our royalties are about $50/m3 above yours. Fuel price would be the reason for that.

ummm???? WTH??? you said earlier you get $1k/m3 for wholesale,(and I figure wholesale price is 'lower' than retail price) I said we are lucky to get $800/m3 for retail and you then say our retail is like your wholesale???

so now you are saying your retail is not $1k/m3 but it's $800/m3???
and you pay more than $250/m3 at the dump in the paddock! so running the numbers on that, in log royalty alone it costs $625/m3, transport of logs from paddock to mill absolute bottom dollar is $20m3, now your log cost and transport is around $675m3 before it is even cut? takes about 3 hours to load, cut, tail, stack 1 cube of sawn timber, so 1-2 people wages, fuel and machinery costs are taken out of $41/hr??? wow...

Structural green hardwood we get $1k/m3 wholesale.
You said structural was $1K and feedstock $850 retail.
I assumed both of your prices were retail and if so, that would mean your retail price was about the same as our wholesale.
Royalties run at about $250 but can be quite variable.
I thought that was what I said or did I write it #### about?