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18th February 2013, 01:34 PM #1New Member
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Any milling value in this timber?
Hi. I have rights to remove timber from a property near Elizabeth in Adelaide, and have cut a heap for firewood. The log I haven't yet cut would be approximately 3000mm long, diameter perhaps 800mm or so diameter; estimate 2-3 tons, maybe more? Clean solid wood (of white ant, may have limited borer). Just felled but dried standing (been dead for some time) eucalypt of unknown species; reddish timber. Would this kind of timber have any value in excess of firewood value, and if so, roughly what would one expect given someone would have to mill it in situ? Are there many people looking for this kind of timber in Adelaide?
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18th February 2013, 04:14 PM #2
Is it valuable, yes. Will you make a lot of money from it, probably no.
Standing dead does not mean dry, it will still have high moisture away from the surface. It would probably be good timber as slabs or structural timber, but will still need to be cut, stacked and dried before useful to someone.
I'll leave it to others to provide costs of milling it.Neil____________________________________________Every day presents an opportunity to learn something new
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18th February 2013, 05:17 PM #3New Member
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18th February 2013, 10:22 PM #4Senior Member
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You coul save some of the best logs and you could have a local mobile miller cut it ?
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19th February 2013, 08:35 AM #5
it would be a lot easier to give you some ideas with some pics of the logs you are talkin about
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19th February 2013, 06:18 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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Most hardwood is sold green. Only furniture grade and high structural grades are sold dried and that is usually kiln dried.
Sawn green hardwood would be worth about $1000m3 wholesale.
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19th February 2013, 11:27 PM #7Senior Member
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Value is pretty much determined by two things....
One: How much are you willing to sell it for?
Two: How much is someone willing to give you for it?
If those two things get close enough to the same value, then you'll probably sell it. If not, well.....you got to think about what you'd like to build with it.
Photo's of said log(s) would be helpful....
Scott (I like freebie logs) B
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21st February 2013, 08:14 AM #8
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21st February 2013, 10:19 AM #9GOLD MEMBER
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I guess the other thing that needs to be taken into account are the royalties payable. Maybe cost of log is much lower in Qld. As you say, its pretty hard work and to mech up to a level where it becomes easy requires a reasonable return. I must admit though, I would much rather cut hardwood all day than grub stumps and try to dodge the rocks...But each to his own. One good way of value adding is to find specific customers for a given specie. For instance,
carving up Tallowood to scantling, when a window maker would take what ever he could get and be happy to pay for quality.
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21st February 2013, 07:35 PM #12
Structural green hardwood is over the $1k/m3 mark.
Feedstock (good feedstock) for decking and flooring is $850/m3 at best.
Doesn't matter how good your quality is for fencing/landscape timber it is around $800/m3 - even if it's cut well enought to make structural grade
At that is selling retail to end user - not wholesale (other than the feedstock of course)
As for milling it - I hate doing pine, detest it!!! but love slicing the hwd's
and log price, you are lucky to get logs delivered for $200/m3, more often than not it is $200+ at a dump in the paddock.I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
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22nd February 2013, 09:37 AM #13GOLD MEMBER
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Sounds like your retail is about our wholesale. But that depends on what we refer to as wholesale. A lot of end users are still classed as wholesale. Resellers are happy enough to pay a grand a cube for structural. Some have long standing arrangements with mills that supply for better rate, but they are large volume users and are too big for us anyway. As for feedstock, the price is low, so we try to generate as little as possible. Our royalties are about $50/m3 above yours. Fuel price would be the reason for that.
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24th February 2013, 09:14 PM #14
ummm???? WTH??? you said earlier you get $1k/m3 for wholesale,(and I figure wholesale price is 'lower' than retail price) I said we are lucky to get $800/m3 for retail and you then say our retail is like your wholesale???
so now you are saying your retail is not $1k/m3 but it's $800/m3???
and you pay more than $250/m3 at the dump in the paddock! so running the numbers on that, in log royalty alone it costs $625/m3, transport of logs from paddock to mill absolute bottom dollar is $20m3, now your log cost and transport is around $675m3 before it is even cut? takes about 3 hours to load, cut, tail, stack 1 cube of sawn timber, so 1-2 people wages, fuel and machinery costs are taken out of $41/hr??? wow...I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
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25th February 2013, 12:29 AM #15GOLD MEMBER
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Structural green hardwood we get $1k/m3 wholesale.
You said structural was $1K and feedstock $850 retail.
I assumed both of your prices were retail and if so, that would mean your retail price was about the same as our wholesale.
Royalties run at about $250 but can be quite variable.
I thought that was what I said or did I write it #### about?
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