Thread: mobile mill ticket.

Who are the tickets accredited with?

FITEC. FOREST INDUSTRY TRAINING AND EDUCATION CONSORTIUM

there web site has little info.

Did a search of FITEC, found nothing relating to portable sawmilling. Did a search on google, found operating, dismantle, transport and assemble hand portable sawmill, was a unit of competency in a Certificate III in Sawmilling and Processing, but not that it was a qualification in it's own right?

You got any other info?

Originally Posted by weisyboy

for those of you that dont know there are tickets required for moblie mills.

Originally Posted by Sigidi

Did a search of FITEC, found nothing relating to portable sawmilling. Did a search on google, found operating, dismantle, transport and assemble hand portable sawmill, was a unit of competency in a Certificate III in Sawmilling and Processing, but not that it was a qualification in it's own right?

Sounds to me like some wires are being crossed here. A commercial mill operator might require an employee (like FC) to hold a certificate or ticket so as to be able to tick off the boxes in their OHS plan and help them with their insurance premiums.

Saying that "there are tickets required" means that if you don't hold a ticket then whoever the safety regulators are over your way could shut you down and fine you for not having it. I doubt this is the case or it would have been discussed before and would show up in searches. I could not find anything in any state relating to saftey/operators tickets for mills when I looked before buying my mill. The only licences I could find related to the milling and sale of timber.

Originally Posted by Burnsy

Sounds to me like some wires are being crossed here. A commercial mill operator might require an employee (like FC) to hold a certificate or ticket so as to be able to tick off the boxes in their OHS plan and help them with their insurance premiums.

Saying that "there are tickets required" means that if you don't hold a ticket then whoever the safety regulators are over your way could shut you down and fine you for not having it. I doubt this is the case or it would have been discussed before and would show up in searches. I could not find anything in any state relating to saftey/operators tickets for mills when I looked before buying my mill. The only licences I could find related to the milling and sale of timber.

Burnsy
I recall Weiseboy having a problem a few months ago when he was looking to mill some timber on a dam site. From what I recall No Workcover endorsed type ticket = no access to the site

the requirement may have been driven by the prime contractor's OHS plan or environmantal licience

I've been to plenty of developers sites who are clearing the land to develop and been required to have construction industry blue card and also chainsaw ticket, so I can see what you're saying Ian about the tickets being a requirement for situations like that, for OHS and legal implications for the developer.

As for requiring a ticket for the sawmill, it's just nothing I have heard of before, so wanted to look into it and get more info.

here is the drill.

the fitec website is ####.

if you or someone else gets inured and you do not hold an operators ticket then you are in ####.

all the ohs blokes that work for developers will have no idea about these tickets or anything else to do with saw milling.

forestry Queensland requires that you hold this ticket.

the reason i put it up here is know one knows about it.

the only reason i do is that my fathers mate dose all the training for forestry qld and he said that i needed it.

i can find out more info about the ticket if you like.

fitec had a course on in cairns some years ago .was interesting cost me around $2.00 an hour ,with subsidy . i think lucas do one too , you certainly learn a lot doing one . and get a certificate for the wall!! the chainsaw training was excellent , havent heard of any courses since though . perhaps someone could put some info up? cheers Bob

Nothing against Carl, but I find it somewhat laughable someone can do a course on "dismantle, transport and assemble hand portable sawmill" so would it be using an alaskan? or a Lucas or even a Peterson ASM? how can you qualify someone to dismantle, transport and assemble a sawmill? no-one gets qualified to do this on a chainsaw, they get qualified to use the chainsaw and therefore it makes no difference what make the chainsaw is, it's about how you use it.

BUT if you look at say a woodmizer versus a Lucas, versus a mahoe twin saw, no training organisation is going to be able to qualify someone to dismantle, transport and assemble all of them??? I dunno seems a bit over the top...

these tickets like anything are just a bunch of occupational health and saftey ######## but id rather have a piece of paper to say that i am qualified than not when the #### hits the fan.

nothing ever gets easier you know.

the whole forestry bit is going federal shortly and apparently they are going to make it almost imposable to get tickets so i got in while the going is good.

just thought you guys would like to know. im not saying everyone should get them you should know im not worried about safety that much i only got them cos they were offered.

but if someone gets hurt or killed and you discover there was a ticket its a bit late.

Carl is right , it is all about competency, regardless of what industry, job or wherever you work, when there is a claim and it hits the court room how are you going to prove you (or whoever was operating the machine) was competent.

I have held a truck licence since i was 18 (now 53) and my work has employed a person (only about 25 years old) whose full time job is to travel with every driver at least twice a year to ensure we are competent drivers

WHY

well next time a truck changes lanes in the tunnel or hits a train at Kerang, and 10 or more people die, my boss wants to be able to get up in court and say that driver was competent, we tested him on **/**/**** and he passed so its his fault or in other words driver error. We take no responsibility for the accident.

Same with the mill - when a peice of wood is thrown/flicked up by the blade and "stabs" someone in the throat you need the peice of paper to say the operator was competent and knew when he set the mill up that he chose the safest place possible. So you can say its operator error not my fault.

Yep our lovely society is obsessed with litigation and the new sport of PASS THE BUCK.

Cheers

its basicly what it is, if something happens wile im operating the mill and i have followed all the proper procedures that ohs requires i am pretty much right.

e.g. if i dont have sighns up that say "no entry without ppe", "stay 6m clear", "autharised personell only" and someone comes along and gets hit by a bit of wood and is injured. then i am liable.

if i see someone within 6m without ppe and don't immediately stop the machine and they get hurt then i am liable.

but if i stop the machine and tell them to move beyond the 6m mark. tehy comply and i restart milling and they move back inside the 6m exclusion zone. then i am not liable fro there injury.

its all about duty of care.

Originally Posted by weisyboy

e.g. if i dont have sighns up that say "no entry without ppe", "stay 6m clear", "autharised personell only" and someone comes along and gets hit by a bit of wood and is injured. then i am liable.

if i see someone within 6m without ppe and don't immediately stop the machine and they get hurt then i am liable.

but if i stop the machine and tell them to move beyond the 6m mark. tehy comply and i restart milling and they move back inside the 6m exclusion zone. then i am not liable fro there injury.

its all about duty of care.

How does all this fit with your open door policy?

dosen't affect it at all.