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21st May 2008, 01:14 PM #16Senior Member
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one reason for the weight of other bs mills is the way the log needs to be loaded and dogged to the mill itself. This requires the mill to be built with heavier components. Our light weight mill only needs to hold the weight of the milling head and enough strength to keep the rail straight. A lot will also have the weight of a heavy engine to cope with as well. If you need the extra power no problem but we use hydraulic drive so the weight of the milling head is actually reduced.
You also need more power for speed of milling. Options will start with 13hp but 18 and 30hp will be available on the mill and upto 160hp available through hydraulics. I dont think any more than 18hp will be required for the 50mm blade though. We are not looking at commercial milling speed with this mill just portability and ease of use for those who could use a lightweight bandsaw.
Regardless of the mill going into production we are making a single prototype to test with 630mm x 50mm wheels and a 13hp petrol engine. The first will be an adjustable unit cutting 800, 1000 and 1200mm and we will give both bad and good results and invite anyone to come and verify these by using the bs themselves.End of another day milling
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4th June 2008, 08:23 PM #17Senior Member
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Our Cast wheels have now arrived and we are happy to sell components to anyone wanting to build their own bandsaw.
Wheels are 630mm diameter, cast steel, 6 spoke, 45mm machined surface with a slight curve to the centre.
Taper lock centre with a 50mm shaft diameter. Wheels are fully balanced.
We can supply two wheels at $600 plus GST and freight for the pair. Bands can also be supplied to whatever length you need from $60 to $300 each depending on tips.
They take about 4 weeks from order to have cast and machined.
Shafts, mounts and pullies can also be supplied.End of another day milling
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5th June 2008, 09:05 AM #18043TURNING
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do you have any video / pictures of the mill ?? Do you have a web sight and a price list etc...
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6th June 2008, 07:14 AM #19SENIOR MEMBER
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i also have ripper b/saw mill ,and find its the best thing for cutting logs . get a fraction of the sawdust ,from slabber and swing blade units . but i cut only cabinet species . cheers bob
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6th June 2008, 09:51 AM #20Senior Member
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no pics or video yet as we are still putting it all together but are happy to supply components to anyone who wishes to make thier own.
Ours will be a lightweight bs constructed from stainless steel where possible and compatible to our other mills.
components available at the moment are
- 630mm cast and machined wheels
- mounting plates with bearings
- drive and free running shafts
- pullies
- 50mm bands
- frame for 800mm x 275mm mouth
- 13hp petrol engines with clutch
- band guides and adjusters
The reason for the 50mm drive shafts is so the mill can handle large horsepower even though we are only using 13hp there is no reason why it cant handle a lot more which would be required for large mouth or higher production speeds.
Wheels and bearings are good for 1000rpm continuous. We will only be using speeds in the low hundreds.
website is www.ecosaw.comEnd of another day milling
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7th June 2008, 08:57 AM #21SENIOR MEMBER
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b/s mill
lets know whou have some pics and prices , cheers bob
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28th June 2008, 12:32 PM #22Senior Member
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Shim or thread ???
Further to the development.
As the Drive wheel is fixed and all other adjustments are made against this would simple shims or a fine thread be best???
Both have there plus and minum.
Even with the best thread and locking system can still work their way out of adjustment when any vibration occurs where as the shim is fixed in size.
The problem with shims is we need to supply a number of thickness and although fixed when applied take a lot longer to setup and would need adjustment with wear.
The non-drive wheel currently has four adjustments needed - wheel alighnment, tension, vertical and horizontal.
Shims make for a cheaper bandsaw, thread allows future computer control !!!
thanks
arthurEnd of another day milling
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28th June 2008, 02:54 PM #23
I think thread is the go, it'd be painful out on the job if you needed more shims.
Therefore the manufacturer may be criticised for spoiling an otherwise good design
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28th June 2008, 03:41 PM #24SENIOR MEMBER
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hi
i think threads . sometimes you need adjustments to machines that were never planed for . have put off a bandsaw mill at present as bought my old lucas saw back ,to do some urgent work ,on a few logs .lets know how your bandsaw goes . cheers bob
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28th June 2008, 03:58 PM #25Senior Member
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thanks
thread is more acurate but needs to be kept an eye on both for the finished product and the safety. Its all down to what the customer will pay for.
I have been contemplating a torque guage as well for the band tension but there goes another $600. However it makes it easier for the operator to keep the band in the correct tension as you can see at a glance if there is an adjustment required. Would also offset the cost with band life but when your the customer who want to penny pinch now the cost is most important or we would all be buying the best possible not just what will do the job!!!
Of course we could just have the mill totally computer controlled and take that part away from the operator but who would pay another $30K for that when a good operator is one with the equipment???End of another day milling
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28th June 2008, 04:59 PM #26
there shouldnt be any trouble with a fine treaded bolt with a locking nut. if you are woried put one either side. shims would be a basturd.
as for the tention why not a setup like a fish skales with a large spring so when it tention lessens the gauge moves back. look at a pair of fish scales and youll understand what i mean. be a lot cheeper and is all thats needed.
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29th June 2008, 10:09 AM #27Senior Member
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Fishscales now theres an idea.
Problem with a set sping is each type of band uses different types of steel and will require a different tension for optimum setting, hence the thought of using a guage.
We can then give you a tension setting for the band we supply. Initially this adjustment will be by screw but we may use a hydraulic ram as a spring as this would give an adjustable range of spring tensions.
thanks again for the feed back
arthurEnd of another day milling
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29th June 2008, 02:10 PM #28
as with fish scales you could have the tention weight marked on the gauge and it could be adjusted for diferent blades and timbers. the same unit could be used on the hydrolic ram version just replace the hand tentioner with a ram o winch and motor.
ps: i want 10%
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