Thread: Rules? What rules?

we will see results and he said "watch this space" there will be a lot of changes soon as well as prosecution for the peddlers of "Knock offs"

no responce from EBAY yet

Originally Posted by Karl Robbers

As a matter of interest, has anyone who reported this to Ebay received a reply?
I know I sure as hell haven't.

I only got the machine generated "thank you" from ebay

I'm a bit concerned about the extent to which you guys seem to be getting all hot and bothered by this. As soon as you successfully lobby to have a CS without a chain brake as an illegal import this screws around with genuine CS collectors. There is no way any regulation will be able to discriminate between a vintage used CS made in Germany without a chainbrake and a new b'Boingo saw without a chain brake made in Chikanstan?

Let's leave natural selection take it's course.

Outright fraud is a separate issue and I am more than happy to let the corporate lawyers loose on that lot.

I hear your concern BobL but its not right for them to offer a new saw with no chain brake if our local dealers cant, somthing I expressed in my email to EBAY was that No New Saw can be sold with out a chain brake

surely the absense of a chain brake on a commercially available CS is something that should be reported to one of the regulators (ACCC?) rather than customs.
I would think it would fall under the heading of either "not merchanitle (I can't spell) quality" or "unconsionable conduct"

Originally Posted by ian

surely the absense of a chain brake on a commercially available CS is something that should be reported to one of the regulators (ACCC?) rather than customs.
I would think it would fall under the heading of either "not merchanitle (I can't spell) quality" or "unconsionable conduct"

Geez Ian,

Who would know? Essentially there isn't a lot of easy to access info on the net about chainsaw standards etc for Oz - the NZ stuff comes up and is very clear. Collectors are a different kettle of fish, what p's me is the unsafe equipment sold new and blatant fakes passed off as authentic to make a fast and handsome profit.

Fraud is fraud and should be dealt with as such, however I'm still unclear (after reading this thread) whether importing/selling a chainsaw without a chain brake is actually illegal.

I don't get what all the fuss is about. Why does everyone feel the great need to "protect" potential buyers of cheap and/or poor quality saws (counterfeit saws are a different matter). Buyers need to take some (or maybe most?) of the responsibility for the risks they take in buying cheap, unsupported gear. If they are willing to take the risk ... let them.

If you are stupid enough to use a non-chain braked chainsaw for hand held use (i.e. not in a mill) then you only have yourself to blame.

Originally Posted by maragle

Geez Ian,

Who would know? Essentially there isn't a lot of easy to access info on the net about chainsaw standards etc for Oz - the NZ stuff comes up and is very clear. Collectors are a different kettle of fish, what p's me is the unsafe equipment sold new and blatant fakes passed off as authentic to make a fast and handsome profit.

You will not find the australian standards online, because access to the standards is restricted. Maybe someone who is envolved with a tafe or such would be able to access them but they are not available to the general public. I have had to source standards pertaining to building extensions to machinery and walkways and such.

I must agree with Vernon to some extent about the onus being on the person buying the product knowing what they are getting into, however the problem is, there are naive and unknowing consumers out there who think "hey I need a chainsaw for trimming the bushes out the back lets get one of those ones on ebay, they are cheap" and do not realise that they are not safe.

there is also the other side of the coin with the effect it is having by taking business away from genuine retailers who would explain things like correct operating procedure, how to maintain the product, and what safety precautions should be taken. This also has a flow on effect to people learning trades, No retailer selling means no retailer hiring servicemen and no taking on apprentices, which means skills are lost, and when the circle comes full loop no-one will have the skills needed when the time comes. This then perpetuates the disposable society. In their own way some of the larger retailers are also guilty for their part in what is becoming their own downfall, instead of servicing or repairing products which may have nothing more wrong with them than stale fuel, they just swap it for a new one. A prime example is bunnings and GMC, or ryobi brushcutters like mine, The customer buys the product puts fuel in it and goes to use the machine with the same fuel 2 months later and it won't run. (my ryobi will not run on fuel more than about a week old!!) These then get sent back to ryobi who then send them to their dealers who do have a service department to be re sold at a LOW price, one of whom I saw had probably 30 of them that had trimmed a backyard once, the fuel had gotten stale then they wouldn't run. As far as the big retailer is concerned they may as well be landfill, and they do not care if a company that they distribute products for goes broke because of it. Now the big retailers are bitching and moaning about people buying off the internet and undercutting them, needless to say that they have done it to the small local retailers who have given backup to the product for the last 30 odd years, or more.

At the end of the day we are losing the war without even fighting a battle because consumerism and the disposable society is making us DUMB!!!

What he said x 10

OK - I have access to the Aust Standards - what do we want to know.

For copyright purposes I cannot quote or holus-bolus cut and paste from the standards into a public forum but I can answer specific questions in a brief manner.

A search of the Standard shows 7 entries regarding Chainsaws.

1) Chainsaw safety requirements - general use
2) Chainsaw safety requirements - general use
3) Chainsaws safte working practices
4) Protective clothing - test rig
5) Protective clothing - test method
6) Protective clothing - leg wear
7) Protective clothing - leg wear (Amendment)

As I guessed, from a quick scan I can see absolutely nothing about import restrictions.

Originally Posted by BobL

OK - I have access to the Aust Standards - what do we want to know.

For copyright purposes I cannot quote or holus-bolus cut and paste from the standards into a public forum but I can answer specific questions in a brief manner.

A search of the Standard shows 7 entries regarding Chainsaws.

1) Chainsaw safety requirements - general use
2) Chainsaw safety requirements - general use
3) Chainsaws safte working practices
4) Protective clothing - test rig
5) Protective clothing - test method
6) Protective clothing - leg wear
7) Protective clothing - leg wear (Amendment)

As I guessed, from a quick scan I can see absolutely nothing about import restrictions.

I doubt anything would be in the standards pertaining to anything regarding import restrictions, as this is controlled by people like the ACCC and the other mob who I can't think of at the moment....mental blank. give me another beer and it will come to me. The standards basically just set the minimum requirements for what a product should be manufactured to, I.E. an m10 bolt of 8.8 grade should be able to withstand XXX nm of torque without shearing, or that safety harnesses should be destroyed after xxx amount of years or if they have been exposed to stress, etc.etc.

In my current insurance policy it states that my equipment has to meet the relevant Australian Standard.
regards inter

Originally Posted by InterTD6

In my current insurance policy it states that my equipment has to meet the relevant Australian Standard.
regards inter

yep and I would be sure if you were silly enough to try to use one of the fleabay specials, in your profession, aside from being let down you would also void your insurance, should yourself or someone else be injured because of it.