Thread: Rules? What rules?

oh not this one again

Originally Posted by itsposs

oh not this one again

Guess I should clarify my point.

I don't want to have the chinese versus the world argument. That argument has been hashed out many times with the same conclusion.
My point is that the regulators supposedly protecting our best interests are a strange bunch and that rules as they stand are not even remotely consistent in their enforcement.
Recently I had involvement with a tractor roll over, (as an emergency service responder). In this particular case there were obvious safety breaches and injuries to persons concerned. The responsible agency - workplace standards did nothing and asked few questions. Yet on another day the same agency will be increadibly pedantic about items which realistically pose little or no hazard such as an unguarded pulley 6m+ in the air where pysical contact could not be made.
I am all for safety, pain hurts too much. It really annoys me that items such as this are inflicted on an unknowing public, (by an entity without an address or phone number) and those that are meant to protect us are appearing to sit on their hands doing nothing.

I trust you ve reported it to the relevent people then I am feeling rather apathetic about it If the customer dosent know then they shouldnt be buying a chainsaw ya get what ya pay for.
I ve taken the time to report the item I hope you have too

same and suggest all else to also

Thank You for Your Report (eBay AU Community Watch) (KMM42748042V91747L0KM)

Yes, I have reported the item to ebay, let us now see what happens.

it appears it was bought for the princely sum of $155. I actually put up a post about 18 months ago regarding this same saw, just adds fuel to the fire doesn't it.

STOP THESE PEOPLE SELLING THIS UNSAFE RUBBISH.

My report has been filed.

i asked this
gday does this saw comply with australian standards?
does it have a chain brake?
thanks
this is the reply
Hi There

Chain saw complies and has CE and TUV but not all chain saws need to have a break. Even some stihl saws dont have a break

Kind regards

- machinesdirectonline

My understanding is that importation regulations are not all that well integrated with safety regulations across a lot of products.

The complications then arise when someone goes to use one of these products in regulated workplace and they'll find they can use that product because it does not meet safety specs.

Just because something has a CE sticker doesn't mean it is really CE certified.
Asking to see the CE certificate is not much use either because forgeries abound.
The only way one can check this is if they have CE lab reports and then checking with the CE lab that did the test.

It's interesting as to who can be held liable here. My guess is the importer is not able to drop all the liability onto the manufacturer and could look rather foolish in court if things went pearshaped.

Originally Posted by fubar

i asked this
gday does this saw comply with australian standards?
does it have a chain brake?
thanks
this is the reply
Hi There

Chain saw complies and has CE and TUV but not all chain saws need to have a break. Even some stihl saws dont have a break

Kind regards

- machinesdirectonline

NO STIHL SAW SOLD IN AUSTRALIA NOWDAYS DOESN"T HAVE A CHAINBREAK!!

It was made obligatory years ago.

You would have to go back many years to find a Stihl that doesnt have a break. These want to be chainsaws are begining to get on my goat and i blame ebay and such things for their existance. If you were to try and sell these chunks of you know what from a retail outlet, your kids would want to love the taste of baked beans

Originally Posted by nifty

You would have to go back many years to find a Stihl that doesnt have a break. These want to be chainsaws are begining to get on my goat and i blame ebay and such things for their existance. If you were to try and sell these chunks of you know what from a retail outlet, your kids would want to love the taste of baked beans

I blame the Oz regulators for it. The NZ legal position is very clear. It's illegal to import and sell any saw without a brake and from what is on the net it is also illegal to sell a second hand saw without a brake.

I tried to get a definitive answer for Australia on the net. I couldn't find one. The relevant OZ standard isn't on line unless you pay and customs don't list chainsaws without brakes as prohibited items in their small on line list of prohibited imports.

If the things are illegal to sell - my guess is that they are, then why isn't it made blatantly clear to one and all, including the dorks who try and flog 070 fakes and the guy who has imported the powertek monsters. I half think that he could have done it naively given the lack of publicly available info on the net. Either way Ebay Australia is at major fault in accepting the listings.

I reported to ebay as well on two of the powertek listings but they are still up and selling.

Originally Posted by maragle

I blame the Oz regulators for it. The NZ legal position is very clear. It's illegal to import and sell any saw without a brake and from what is on the net it is also illegal to sell a second hand saw without a brake.

I tried to get a definitive answer for Australia on the net. I couldn't find one. The relevant OZ standard isn't on line unless you pay and customs don't list chainsaws without brakes as prohibited items in their small on line list of prohibited imports.

If the things are illegal to sell - my guess is that they are, then why isn't it made blatantly clear to one and all, including the dorks who try and flog 070 fakes and the guy who has imported the powertek monsters. I half think that he could have done it naively given the lack of publicly available info on the net. Either way Ebay Australia is at major fault in accepting the listings.

I reported to ebay as well on two of the powertek listings but they are still up and selling.

As a matter of interest, has anyone who reported this to Ebay received a reply?
I know I sure as hell haven't.

no reply but i did speak to adam schroder from stihl about it and he will be following it up