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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticky View Post
    Where are you guys?

    Am I the only one in SA that is missing the T&WWW Show?

    Bit of support here wouldn't go astray

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    Thanks Dave,

    I must have been getting a bit hot under the Corella


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    Tciky -We (ubeaut polishes) did around 12 SA shows and only once did we cover costs. Couple of them hardly anyone came to which meant no one went away happy or wanting to come back again, especially interstaters. Definitely not good when the isles are completely empty at midday and the exhibitors are thinking of playing a game of indoor cricket.

    One show the only person to make money was the guy selling remote control helicopters and trucks and he complained that his takigs should have been at least 4 times more for a show that size.

    As much as SA deserves a good show they also don't deserve it for the reasons above. When a show loses around $60,000 for the organisers and most of the exhibitors struggle to break even on a regular basis then it's time to pull the pin, cut your losses and run.

    When that has happened consistently it's pretty hard to make a case for trying it again.

    We (ubeaut) need to get out and demonstrate our products so we can generate new customers for our distributors, help people who are having problems with the products, etc, etc. The T&WWWShows are by far the best venue for this, SA has the cheapest and possibly the best accommodation in Australia, Wayville is reasonably priced venue for exhibitors and we enjoyed doing the show over there, but in all honesty I could not justify going back to SA for another show. The same as we can't justify going back to Canberra to do any more shows there or to Hobart.

    We have always said we will give a show 3 chances and after that if they are costing us more than we make then we won't try again. SA, Canberra and Tasmania all failed miserably for us. So we won't do them again.

    We all need to be practical about these shows and making a huge loss (especially for us) is far from practical.

    Cheers - Neil

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    I would love to see the shows thrive in each state and would be more than happy to attend them all if we could be assured of at least covering our costs, but when you go to a show and barely make enough to cover your accommodation and meals, there is a definite problem.

    Sorry for the bit of a rant.

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    Has any thought been given to a 'National' show, rotated between states each year?
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    Cheers - Neil

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    I would love to see the shows thrive in each state and would be more than happy to attend them all if we could be assured of at least covering our costs, but when you go to a show and barely make enough to cover your accommodation and meals, there is a definite problem.

    Sorry for the bit of a rant.
    not sure if you went thru my earlier post about Jerilderie etc. However if you want to keep an eye on the event Ill offer you a free stand and possibly may be able to put you up (free). Im looking at a pre-paid meal package (Sat tea thru to Mon Lunch) at this stage I'm thinking the food will cost about $60 - $100 per head depending what is included and who we use.

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    Hey Neil.

    While I am deserate to see the WWW Shows come back to Adelaide, I can see your point.

    Sadly, Adelaide misses out on a lot things, like big name shows etc, because we simply dont have the population.

    It would be interesting to see, the % breakdown by state, of members on this forum. I'm willing to bet that Adelaide, Tassy & Can'tberra are all pretty low. This would be why the shows fail here.

    Maths & Money aside, I still want to be able to go to the T&WWW Show.

    Years ago, I used to be a shooter, & every year there was a shoot held at Mildura called the Annual Tri State Shoot. (SA, Vic & NSW) It was always very successful, & I'ts possibly still going.

    Maybe, the T&W shows could work something like that, where it is in a held at a mid point between 2 or 3 larger locations. This would take advantage of the possability of cheaper venues, and pull people from several locations instead of one. It could also mean less shows & less expence for the Merchants, to access the same amout of people.

    We have discussed the possability of combining our show with some less important show to bring in numbers, & this could still be incorperated, but we should also look at combining the timing of the show with some other large community event in the area, on the same weekend. For example, have it at the same time as flower show, or a steam boat rally, or a counrty rock festival. By doing this, it gives people with no interest in wood work, some thing else to go & see, or the old play off, we'll see this today & tomorrow we will go the the wodwork show.

    I would happily drive the 4&1/2 hours to mildura, stay in the van, & make a weekend of it, & I'm sure others would too, particularly if it was taken OUT of the citys' and the choice was drive or miss out.

    I know some people would elect not to go, but those same people would elect not to go if it was raining.

    Anyway, I think it's worth a bit of discussion.


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    If a "show" was to be held outside a metro area it would have to have a totally different approach as none or very few of the major companies would attend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    If a "show" was to be held outside a metro area it would have to have a totally different approach as none or very few of the major companies would attend.


    Thanks for finally weighing in on this topic Chris, I think it is an important topic if we are to continue to see T&WWW Shows in this country.

    I had to have a look on the map to find Helensburgh, & I note that it's not that far from Sydney. Ive never been to the Sydney WWShow, But I bet it's the biggest one in Australia, it will likely be the last one to close down.

    Great for you Chris, but the rest of the country will have a little further to travel when Sydney is the only show still going.

    Now, I'm not saying that my suggestion will work, and you may very well be right, but if the T&WWW shows were all regional, & the major manufactures wanted to show their equipment, providing they make a profit, why wouldn't they travel to regional centres. They travel all over the country to sell their gear, if thats where the show is & thats where the money is, then the way I see it, there is at least a possability that they might show up.

    The purpose of this thread is to float ideas in the interest of saving & growing interest in the T&WWW Shows, for both retailers & Customers.

    If you have an idea, by all means lets hear it, but don't be the leader of the opposition & just bag an idea with absoluly no other input into the topic of discussion mate. At least if your going to bag my idea, back it up with some research or figures or inside knowledge of the business or something.

    Once again, I'm not saying you wrong. but your not offering up much either.

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    I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in here yet but has any thought been given to running a number of different craft shows at the same time in the same location? I'm sure there would be an opportunity for the shows to feed off each other to a degree and maybe with a bigger show, costs could be spread out a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    If a "show" was to be held outside a metro area it would have to have a totally different approach as none or very few of the major companies would attend.
    Chris hate to burst your bubble but after 4 years of attending Gunnadah's Agquip during the 90's and it is still growing and gowing strong 41 years this year with the likes of Carbatec, Hare & Forbes, Gas weld, Blackwoods, and many more. Its not even in the town.
    If memory serves me right only on main tin shed everything else is marque some with wooden floors some without.
    I know people who travel from Sydney to go.

    Then all those field days around NSW Mudgee, Bathurst, and more.

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    Ray, Gunnedah was always a field day in its early days, has it changed? I can remember having to send machinery up for it and always regretted not being able to attend. For me personally a show these days has to be less about equipment and more about education of the craft and I think that a lot of older people would agree. In fact the attendance decline tells us the present format needs a to be drastically overhauled and not just fiddled with at the edges. Anyone who has been in WW for any length of time will have acquired the tools & toys necessary and I don't have to attend a show to see what I want, I have a computer for that.


    Education is the next big thing. Everyone has bought their toys so they want to know how to use them. I can remember when TAFE had a stand at the show and the likes of Sturt and those with similar offerings need to be encouraged to attend and do demos and get involved in a bit of promotion. There is nothing like market place forces to encourage more competition in retail costs and the WW education market could afford to be more competitive in that area IMHO. Why should someone have to come on here and ask about where to learn, the information should be everywhere starting with the WW show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corbs View Post
    I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in here yet but has any thought been given to running a number of different craft shows at the same time in the same location? I'm sure there would be an opportunity for the shows to feed off each other to a degree and maybe with a bigger show, costs could be spread out a little.
    I think this is a good point, Corbs. Reminds me of the Newcastle show which I only got to once before it closed (maybe that closure is an indicator of this format, I'm not sure).

    It wasn't the same size as the Sydney show, but not MASSIVELY smaller, either. This had the wood show in one hall, and the stitch/craft show on the other side of the carpark. Not sure if there is a venue big enough to hold both large shows at the same time in each city, but I think its worth thinking about.

    I guess it would involve both show organisers co-operating with each other - maybe thats a no-no in that world.

    But, I think it has merit. Men who wouldn't normally go to a wood show could have a look if they get dragged along by the Misses. And in places like Sydney where on top of purchases and entry fees you need to look at parking, petrol, toll or transport costs, it can have a decent saving on the costs associated with going to numerous shows throughout the year.

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    My first was as a school kid in around 1996 (I obviously must have been one of those pesky damn school kids - I thought most of us would have been at one stage. There's a point actually - to those whinging about school kids and that seemingly every one of them is a reincarnation of the devil (not aimed at anyone in particular, but it comes up in each wood show thread): like any industry or hobby, they are the future. If they don't pick up the tools over the coming years, there goes the wood show and hobby/industry side of wood for good!). Then I didn't attend regularly until around 2006.

    What has changed the most for me is the demonstration program. The highlight for me each year was catching Richard Vaughn's demo's. Always entertaining and very informative. Since he has been off the program, the demo schedule is very turning heavy. For cabinet workers there is the very good flat-surface finishing demo from U-Beaut which I will get a refresher on this year, but not much else.... (just remembered Neil Scobie had very good workshops 2 years ago, I can't see him on the schedule this year). In fact, a REVENUE RAISING POINT HERE FOR LIZ, it was at the point where I would pay for two days' tickets to catch all the demos I wanted to see. My point is, I now struggle to stay at the show for a full day. Last year my dad and I stayed for no more than 5 hours, and probably could have gone after 3.

    To me that is a key point. Besides the demonstrations, everything else at the show I can now get somewhere else. Whether it be via blogs, YouTube, vendors websites, visiting retailers and even forums like this are in a way a detriment (for example: "Hey, what are your views of Tablesaw X and Tablesaw Z?". No longer is comparing the two saws side by side at a show the main determining factor in a purchase). It is now easy to order sandpaper, hand tools, finishes over the web - all without the $60 cost of just getting me through the show doors.

    What I mainly go for are these demos. Could I turn up at Richard Vaughn's, Richard Raffan's or Ubeaut's house and ask some questions or watch them work? No, but I sure can see and meet them at the show. If the demos continue the downhill slide (as far as cabinetry and non-turning goes), then I won't have a reason to attend. I'm not saying this as a form of spitting the dummy, but am raising that the key factor in getting my ticket sale seems to be slowly disappearing. Surely I am not the only one with this view. Like everyone, I want to see the shows thrive and grow, and I would be sad if I couldn't go, but times and buying habits change.

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    I offen ask myself why I go to the show?

    When I went to the show for the first time it was more like second hand thought. Hearing about it on the radio and thought that would be interesting. I do not recall if I had anyone with me as most of my friends would not have been interested. So as a first timer to the show almost everything was new.

    These days I would be safe to say that a decade has passed and the same question comes up as to why I attend the show.

    The main reason that I will attend is for the Wood Working Forum stand. So why is this at the top of my consideration and if it was not there would I still attend? The short answer is yes I would still attend.

    I will go to catch up with people, most are members of the forum. I look at this as a Get Together and if it means that I need to pay for all day parking and help out with setting up and then packing up I am more then willing to do that. So how does this help the future of the show?

    For the purpose of this discussion I will remain within the confines of wood working show. I believe that it is our attitude as wood workers that will determine how events pan out. The things we create within our hobby and give to family and friends or dare I say sell is something that we have created with passion. If we do not have passion for a hobby then it is not really a hobby but a task. And believe me i have heaps of tasks.

    So to continue to have the wood working shows we as wood workers need to bring our children, grand children, great grand children, cousins, uncles, aunties, butchers cousins uncle next door neighbour to the show. It may not interest them initially but they will discover what was involved when you give them something you created.

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    Keep it on topic please as per the original post.

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